France contaminated with Uranium? Exhibits 11/02

[Christophe]

To meditate:

http://www.ratical.org/radiation/WorldU ... ossew.html

[FPLM]

Fighting head on against the nuclear lobby is David Tale Goliath.

Fully agree. Lost in advance therefore vain.

It ties in well with what I noted here in comment:
http://www.dailymotion.com/group/econol ... s_creation

I could not resist the urge to share my convictions on this subject.

Yet nothing new, all this investigative work has been done for a long time by citizens and anti-nuclear activists.

Is that so? I am a citizen and anti-nuke activist and yet I do not have the opportunity to conduct this kind of investigation. I am not able to interpret the measurements and do not have an adapted device allowing it.
My problem is there, should I be alarmed or calm down?
I admit that the idea of ​​being able to judge for myself would please me, but it must be noted that as an ordinary citizen, I don't hear much about it.
However, my little proletarian brain retains things and the universal memory of the Internet is immense.
I remember that the nuclear age has been going on for 50 years.
I remember that confrontation with this kind of lobby is utopian.
I remember that the thermoelectric cell of nuclear origin (beta-voltaic cell, so why not a gamma-voltaic cell?) Is useful, safe, used in satellites and is not new.
I have retained that high frequency, high intensity radiation can be used safely with the appropriate means.
I deduced from this that human mastery of this area is sufficient but misused.
I remember that against the harmful effects of nuclear power, the least risky place is the power plant itself.
I learned that fine radioactive particles “travel” and make their positions and concentrations random.
I have retained that ionizing radiation is destructive to the living.
I have retained that means of protection, sanitation and prevention exist.
I have retained that these means are not in our possession, at most assistance (iodine capsule) is provided provided that the need for such assistance does not question nuclear power too much.
I remembered that Hannibal gave a lesson in Rome with his handful of vengeful and organized man.
Finally, I remember that we will be the victims of this radiation for centuries to come if we sit idly by.
And finally, I conclude that econology and other movements in favor of autonomy are concretely helping to "get out of nuclear power".
However, in the eventuality that nuclear power goes to the trap, we still have the problem of radioactivity which can be concentrated in our cellars, our gardens, our water, ...
It is crucial to be able to protect yourself, neutralize it and why not use it (see: beta-voltaic stack). Anything is possible, if we take the trouble and if it is the means that we lack, we must arrange to get them.
The politico-economic debate is already closed, that of the ecological health issue is barely opening and there is work.

[dedeleco]

not new nothing changes:
Before uranium, before 1940, residues of radium needles were spread in a lot of places, then we built houses and schools on them without asking questions with the official blessing of the prefects on recommendation in 1974 of Professor Péllerin who became famous in 1986 for his claims that the dangerous Chernobyl cloud in Germany was harmless in France after crossing the border !!!
see and read this typical true lived story:
http://www.dissident-media.org/infonucleaire/gif.html
The certificate of decontamination on still perfectly radioactive ground signed by Professor Pierre Pellerin 12 years before Chernobyl !!
http://www.dissident-media.org/infonucl ... uin_74.pdf
Some, 36 years later, still have radioactive residues in their house and their land without a valid solution !!

Finally for those convinced or not by nuclear energy, this site presents the exact, real, objective facts, very many to meditate.
http://www.dissident-media.org/infonucleaire/

Even before waste (700 times the norm in Cantal, it is negligible compared to the worst), and nuclear weapons, the greatest risk is the absolute and total infallibility that nuclear energy implies !!
No human activity is infallible, but the serious nuclear accident of a power station or a weapon is completely prohibited and from the start assumed impossible !!!
Two extreme accidents of this type have already occurred in 1957 in Chelyabinsk and in 1986 in Chernobyl in Russia !!
These regions have become polluted access forbidden for hundreds of years or even thousands of years (plutonium 30000 years of decay in half!) And there is time to become resistant to radioactivity by the natural selection of Darwin after 95% dead !!!! Bacteria live happily in nuclear power plant pools by constantly rebuilding their DNA cut into small pieces by radiation !!
When will the next Chernobyl take place in the world ???
Sooner or later, with certainty, will there be an accident of the same magnitude where in the world? :
the more nuclear power plants there are, the more the risk increases: after Russia, France with its power plants is not badly placed, like the USA, then China if it builds Chinese quality power plants !!
Imagine the entire Rhône valley or the contaminated Paris region to be evacuated by everyone in less than a day and forbidden access for 1000 years !! This is the case of Chernobyl !! Not to mention the deaths in unknown quantities because they have been spread everywhere for decades. How many Chernobyl deaths? 24 officials and hundreds of thousands in Europe and Russia, and not only cancers, heart attacks and unlisted diseases !!
By accepting nuclear power, we are like an ostrich hiding its head so as not to see the danger !!!
For those who are confident, we are already unable to handle a simple fertilizer, ammonium nitrate, without it rarely exploding and without being able to understand why as in AZF in 2001 which remains without any explanation consistent and valid !!
Much more complex nuclear will undoubtedly cause new disasters sterilizing entire regions !!
Pray that it is not in France, but we have come close to this type of accident several times as in the USA.

http://www.dissident-media.org/infonucleaire/

[FPLM]

As Dedeleco says, nothing new. However, this pollution escapes us completely and assassinates us little by little.
Given that the nuclear lobby does not tolerate the independence and objectivity of any vigilance and / or civil protection commission, it is up to the citizen themselves, once again, to exercise this vigilance. However, here, the necessary knowledge and means are not accessible to ordinary people. If areas like Chernobyl are deserted and prohibited, it is because the rate of radiation is lethal and these lethal doses have not taken up residence in Chernobyl, they travel, sowing death in their path. Extrapolating a bit, it is an involuntary genocide (at least by negligence), nothing less.
We will not stop the atomic era and even less the greedy and deadly progression of the nuke. It only remains for us to adapt to survive this hostility. This is doable if we learn to master the subject and get the means to protect ourselves.
By the way, although the nuke is not the soul of this forum, is there a thread that covers what we should know about ionizing radiation, how to detect it and how to protect ourselves from it? Do any of you know how to build your detector? How to make / get your iodine capsules? What are the dangerous doses and the associated medical prescriptions? ...

[oiseautempete]

If areas like Chernobyl are deserted and prohibited, it is because the rate of radiation is lethal and these lethal doses have not taken up residence in Chernobyl

Just for information: the Tchernobil region is indeed prohibited (but accessible for a limited time with special authorization), but far from being deserted: there was a report made recently by German television (equipped with Geiger counters): people live there, generally poor elderly people who have obtained a waiver by signing a discharge, the level of radioactivity measured in their garden where they grow their vegetables is high, but the most contaminated place is ... the stove at wood, because of the contaminated wood which is burned there by concentrating the radio elements there ... however the returnees who live there since the accident seem in good health taking into account their age, the region, spared by the hand put of man has become luxuriant and wild again, teeming with game, but we have of course noted an abnormally high rate of anomalies on both animals and plants ...

[oiseautempete]

For those who are confident, we are already unable to handle a simple fertilizer, ammonium nitrate, without it rarely exploding and without being able to understand why

In the trade ammonitrate is never sold pure ... It was used during the war of 14-18 to mine the grounds under the enemy, there remain some caves filled with several tens of tons of unexploded ammonitrate with because of the displacement of the front, probably drowned, scattered in the north ... one of these mines exploded a few years ago, probably due to lightning: it made a hole of several tens of m in diameter and the noise of the explosion was heard 100 km away ...
FYI, the explosion of a manufacturing plant in Germany at the beginning of the last century: the nitrate was stored outside and because of the rain, a hard crust formed, suddenly the workers attacked the heaps with a bulldozer and with explosives and one day it boomed and the factory was razed to the foundations with far greater consequences than at AZF ...
http://www.aria.developpement-durable.g ... i_4271.jsp

[Leo Maximus]

At the beginning of the last century, doctors experimented with treatments for diseases like scabies with radium salts. With total efficiency: scabies has disappeared . Incidentally, we can report that the treatment was successful but that the patients died ... . Source: EDF document on radiation protection.

[Leo Maximus]

... Do any of you know how to build your detector?

There are detectors on ebay, used or new. I even saw it at Emmaüs . Contrary to a stubborn legend, the purchase and use of these detectors is absolutely not illegal.

There are kits and detector diagrams in issues of the French magazine Radio-Plans, of the Dutch magazine Elektor of the 80s. We should be able to download this.

We can also build a detector with an ionization chamber, of the Babyline type (French version of the American Tracerlog from the 40s), it is not very very difficult and it costs almost nothing, the ionization chamber is made of paper covered with a thin layer of colloidal graphite, the rest is ordinary electronics, you just need a very high resistance which is sometimes difficult to find but you can make it.

For calibration, it is a little more difficult because the sleeves for lighting at Camping-gaz no longer use thorium.

[FPLM]

Just for information: the Tchernobil region is indeed prohibited (but accessible for a limited time with special authorization), but far from being deserted ...

Its true, you are right. I made an unfortunate shortcut.
I remember this old man who wanted to stay during the exodus. It is sure that life adapts even to radiation but it cannot evolve "correctly" in these conditions. Despite everything, it's true, the vegetation grows back and it's worse. Nature here will try to regulate the excessive energy levels as best they can. I am thinking in particular of evapotranspiration which risks creating the second "radioactive cloud", more diffuse but constant.
Everyone knows that exposure to lower doses but of prolonged duration is also harmful.
For me, there is a huge de-pollution effort to make there and elsewhere.
Is it doable? Of course. Is it extremely expensive and time consuming? Of course.
Another proof, if it were necessary, of the aberration of nuclear power.

[FPLM]

Thank you Maximus Leo!
In this regard, given the complexity of the case, I have a proposal to submit to you and more particularly to the administrator of the forum.
Wouldn't it be useful to centralize information related to ionizing radiation in a single thread?
I put some ideas in black and white and I pretend to believe that a complete database on the subject would help us not only to protect ourselves from its harmful effects but also to control its virtues! Let me explain:
A general subject like: "How to approach the question of radioactivity." In other words, "I'm tired of going through the nuke, I want to control it."
A) How to measure the radiation rate.
- measuring instruments. Plan and diagram. Reseller and notices.
- maps of risk areas.
B) How to interpret the measurements.
- Type of particle, family and particularities.
- Units of measurement, meanings and conversions of units.
- Scientific knowledge base allowing mathematical, scientific approach to the question of measurements.
C) Health impacts.
- Directory of radioactive atoms and their known reagents.
- Doses (quantity / time) and prescriptions.
- Prevention and protection methods.
- Methods of intervention and care.
- Scientific medical knowledge base.
- Scientific chemical knowledge base.
D) How to manage ionizing radiation.
- Reduction of the emission radius.
- Reduction of the half-life time (forced evolution).
- Anti-radiation insulation and related inventions.
- Magnetic, ion traps and other neutralization techniques.
- Derivative applications (insulation of homes, ...).
- Method of filtering and isolating irradiated substances including cleaning of air and water.
- Storage and security methods for radioactive elements.
- Methods of using ionizing radiation for energy or therapeutic use.
- Scientific knowledge base on nuclear electric forces.
- Scientific knowledge base in electrical engineering.
- Scientific knowledge base in electrochemistry.
- Scientific knowledge base in biochemistry.
- Scientific medical knowledge base concerning nuke.
- Scientific knowledge base in classical physics.
- Scientific knowledge base in quantum and nuclear physics.
- Scientific knowledge base of anti-atomic security installations.
- Database of anti-nuke inventions (protection).
- Database of recycle-nuke inventions (use).
- Database of kill-nuke inventions (neutralization).

Heuuu, that maybe makes it a forum by himself...
I launch the idea but I await your reactions (nuclear): cheesy:. It is a first draft and I certainly forget things but I think that the thing deserves reflection. Tell me if it speaks to you and if Duke Nukem is back !!

If this post must be moved or atomized, I leave it to Christophe to decide of course.