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Is France overinvesting in nuclear power?




by jlt22 » 31/07/09, 14:15

Article found in Les Echos

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BENJAMIN DESSUS IS PRESIDENT OF GLOBAL CHANCE

At the end of last year (“Les Echos” on 24-12-2008), we warned public opinion and the government against the risk of France oversizing its electricity generation fleet very significantly in 2020, as it already did so in the 1980s. Analysis of the preparatory document for Multi-Year Electric Investment Programming (PPI) showed that, if the Grenelle commitments were met, 130 TWh of electricity would not find buyers in France in 2020 and should therefore be exported (compared to 80 TWh in 2008).

Six months later, when the president of EDF requests a 20% tariff increase to finance his investments, where are we?

Jean-Louis Borloo presented to the press on June 3 a PPI document in every respect similar to the preparatory document, while the situation has deeply changed. The crisis has gone through this, while the PPI continues to ignore it, posting annual GDP growth of 2,1% per year from 2008 to 2020. However, we know that the industrial production index, which has already lost 11 % in 2008 will continue to fall in 2009, by at least 15%. In total over these two years, the stunting is around 30% compared to PPI forecasts. It is therefore entirely improbable that electricity consumption in the industrial sector will reach 158 TWh in 2020 (compared to 132 in 2008) as the PPI persists in predicting, maintaining the hypothesis of a massive reindustrialisation of France. , reverse of the historical trend, and denying the crisis. It is much more likely that this production will continue to lose points in the overall French GDP. One can therefore very seriously wonder if the consumption of the industry in 2020 displayed by the PPI is not overestimated by 20 to 30 TWh. Given this slowdown, it is rather 150 to 160 TWh of excess electricity that we should try to export in 2020.

How to export 160 TWh per year when our cross-border high voltage lines are today limited to less than 100 TWh? By 2020, an investment effort of unprecedented 400.000 volt lines will be required which will certainly come up against major social acceptance questions, with significant delays and additional costs.

Who to export to? We are told to our European neighbors. Except that they too are experiencing the crisis and sometimes more harshly than us, that they have undertaken proactive electricity control policies (unlike France) and renewable electricity production and that some of them , with the support of our President VRP in nuclear reactors, are considering new reactors.

Finally, at what cost? Here again we are swimming in full uncertainty: since 2003, the last date on which the Directorate General for Energy (DGEMP), published figures concerning the EPR, the investment costs have been multiplied by 2,5. Between 2006 and 2008 alone, the full cost of producing electricity based on the Flamanville EPR, according to EDF, fell from 46 euros / MWh to 54 euros / MWh, and to 60 for Penly, compared to 28,40 euros / MWh in 2003 (DGEMP), more than a doubling in five years! And the difficulties that EDF is encountering today in the construction of Flamanville is not to reassure us.

We have the feeling that we are reproducing the same errors as in the 1970s and 1980s: we “predicted” in 1975, under pressure from the nuclear lobby, a consumption of 1.000 TWh in 2000 (against 474 TWh in reality), hence the oversizing of the nuclear fleet, of a dozen slices, which we have known.

And it is not the prospect of a breakthrough of the electric vehicle ("Les Echos" of December 26, 2008) that risks changing the situation: if the ambitious objective of 1 million electric vehicles in 2020 was met, for 10.000 km / year per vehicle, this would only represent 2 TWh / year of additional consumption, less than a quarter of the production of an EPR, 5% of national consumption…

It would be difficult to understand under these conditions that the national debate on the new EPR at Penly, which is about to open, is limited to local considerations and is not an opportunity to come back to demand forecasts and the relevance of the choices of investment. And then, in the current period, would it not be better to invest in the thermal rehabilitation of buildings whose employment content per million euros spent is at least 5 times higher than that of a nuclear power plant.

Prospective investors interested in the Penly EPR would be well advised not to rely too much on these official "forecasts", but to make their profitability calculations seriously based on a more realistic outlook.


The PPI report:

http://www.developpement-durable.gouv.f ... i_2002.pdf

This is why the CEO of EDF is claiming a 20% increase in electricity prices !!!
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by simseb » 31/07/09, 14:19

We must plan for the strong and rapid development of future electric transport, otherwise we will run out of juice when thousands of cars are connected every evening.
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by Former Oceano » 02/08/09, 19:52

Most cars drive to and from work. We can also get electricity during the day if the company we work for installs PV panels on its roof to supply charging stations for its employees.
This could be considered as a transport aid ...
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by Woodcutter » 02/08/09, 21:57

simseb wrote:We must plan for the strong and rapid development of future electric transport, otherwise we will run out of juice when thousands of cars are connected every evening.
The article talks about it, and the orders of magnitude are given ... No reason to panic!
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by Remundo » 23/02/13, 23:11

Corinne LEPAGE publishes an "energetic" article against the French nuclear industry.
Nuclear is ruining France

NUCLEAR - A large part of the economic difficulties that our country is facing comes from the nuclear sector, be it our trade balance or our industrial development or even costs and fuel poverty
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No EPR is sold and risks being sold given the stagnation of Finnish and French shipyards. Successive failures in Abu Dhabi, the United Arab Emirates, the United States and the Czech Republic. As for partnerships with China, on the condition that they do not deprive us of our intangible heritage (patents), what would be the repercussions for our foreign trade?
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The financial situations of EDF and Areva are more than worrying

EDF has just demanded 5 billion euros from the State, which will obviously be lacking elsewhere. The EPR is on the way to becoming a financial chasm. Flamanville, which is now tangent to 9 billion euros, is deserted by EDF's partner, ENEL also forced to reimburse the trifle of 610 million euros. And who will assume the difference between the cost price and the cost of the EPR built by Areva in Finland (9 billion) and the 2 EPR built in China at half price.
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The exorbitant cost of nuclear power will permanently drive down the price of energy

Indeed, the price of electricity will go up except that this increase will now be very largely due to nuclear power which will be more expensive than onshore wind power - the curves are about to cross in Germany - and probably solar will follow (the price of nuclear energy increases when the price of ENr drops).

Source: The Huffington Post
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by jlt22 » 13/03/13, 13:39

Indeed, the price of nuclear power will durably weigh down the price of energy:

Read in the capital file on the Flamanville EPR:

Today, 93% of the civil engineering has been completed and we can hope that the site will not experience any more setbacks. But we already know that the energy that will one day come out of the EPR will not be given: according to the Court of Auditors, the cost price should be 90 euros per megawatt hour (MWh), against 32 euros in average in the 58 power stations in operation. This tariff is twice as high as that announced by EDF when the project was launched in 2005. And it is comparable to that of electricity produced by onshore wind power. The myth of cheap nuclear has lived!


Complete file:
http://www.capital.fr/enquetes/derapages/epr-six-ans-de-galere-819081
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by Did67 » 13/03/13, 15:12

Remember that it has been a few years since successive directors of EDF "claimed" a 30% increase in their tariff ...

They know the accounts!
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by moinsdewatt » 13/03/13, 21:01

jlt22 wrote:Indeed, the price of nuclear power will durably weigh down the price of energy:

Read in the capital file on the Flamanville EPR:

Today, 93% of the civil engineering has been completed and we can hope that the site will not experience any more setbacks. But we already know that the energy that will one day come out of the EPR will not be given: according to the Court of Auditors, the cost price should be 90 euros per megawatt hour (MWh), against 32 euros in average in the 58 power stations in operation. This tariff is twice as high as that announced by EDF when the project was launched in 2005. And it is comparable to that of electricity produced by onshore wind power. The myth of cheap nuclear has lived!


Complete file:
http://www.capital.fr/enquetes/derapages/epr-six-ans-de-galere-819081


Hi HI Hi, electricity is even more expensive in Germany. Although they have more wind turbines and solar PV plants than France.
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by Cuicui » 13/03/13, 22:19

moinsdewatt wrote:[Hi HI Hi, electricity is even more expensive in Germany. Although they have more wind turbines and solar PV plants than France.
Does this mean that the number of wind turbines and solar power plants in Germany is still insufficient to make up for the lack of nuclear power plants?
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by Did67 » 14/03/13, 09:31

Germany pays a high price for a share of current from subsidized renewable energies (wind, photovoltaic and anaerobic digestion - 7 units compared to 000 in France).

Indeed, by a mechanism of the CSPE type, particularly favorable, the price of the current is "sealed". For the moment.

The system is under review. The production of energy crops for biomethane is in a few places, in the process of "gunning down" to "food producing" agriculture!

German experts predict that in 10 to 15 years, this "disadvantage" will become an advantage when the price of other energies has soared, but that Germany will have a more or less amortized "renewable" park, an expertise that will have enabled it to lower production costs ... and to export (already, the "big" equipment of French methanization units is of German origin!)

What EDF is trying to do currently, by drawing in length from amortized (and reimbursed) power plants, to produce cheaper current (than that which will come out of new power plants).

Insidiously, there is a second aspect: this makes it possible to escape 10 or 20 years again from the problem of dismantling, which will be a financial abyss, with no production in front! [find out about the speed of the dismantling of Brennilis in Brittany or Chooz in the Ardennes]

http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2 ... _3244.html
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