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by sen-no-sen » 01/03/17, 16:39

Ahmed wrote: It is this last point which seems to me the Achilles heel of his words: to invoke the French Revolution or the Arab Spring is to be mistaken about the meaning and content of these events; it is even a powerful counter-argument, in the sense that these subversive episodes (but not too much!) happened in times or places where, what Bertrand Méheust termed "comfort pressure", made them possible.


Thank you for this quick analysis! 8)
Indeed revolutions and other "springs" are unfortunately the result of physical determinisms, and it would be inappropriate to consider them as "solutions" or issues.
Historically a revolution, when it is not piloted from the outside, corresponds to a phase of rupture where the citizens are rarely the winners (the French revolution was a veritable butchery which enabled the bourgeoisie to overthrow the monarchy).
The Arab springs are the consequence of an increase in raw materials (speculation on cereal products) with geopolitical projects in the background (in Syria the gas pipeline projects competing between Russian and Qatari), societal transformation, often led by uncle Sam and his henchmen ... among other phenomena, where are the winners?


I know Fabrice Nicolino through his blog but I admit that his analyzes are fairly summary, on the contrary I find Bertrand meheust excellent, rare are the people who have understood the phenomena at stake with such brilliance.
He arrived, by more literary paths to the same type of explanation as our friend François Roddier.
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by Janic » 01/03/17, 18:04

(the French revolution was a real butchery which allowed the bourgeoisie to overthrow the monarchy)
some even consider that this revolution was financed by the merchant bourgeoisie in order to overthrow the monarchy and the dominant religion, it should not be forgotten, thus opening up a boulevard without financial constraints or moral limits.
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by Ahmed » 01/03/17, 18:10

I fully share the opinion you express in the last paragraph * and I would have liked to make known F. Roddier (and others) at B. Meheust, but, although I was able to speak with him several times **, the discussion focused mainly on particular points of his work and, since then, we have not met despite the geographical proximity. .
Media discretion and public ignorance of their ideas argue in their favor as a formally necessary (but not sufficient) condition for their values. It's a bit of a drama, not that he is looking for publicity, but the content of his books explains (indirectly, of course!) In detail why they are dedicated to confidentiality ***: so it's because that he is right that it is very little heard, it is because they have a value that it is not recognized ...

* Which does not mean that I disagree with the previous ones! : Wink:
** The first time, I didn't know yet F. Roddier.
*** And an author written to be read!
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by sen-no-sen » 01/03/17, 19:34

Oh, what a pity! :frown:
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by Ahmed » 10/05/18, 14:57

I have news from Bertrand Méheust: his next work, "The conversion of Guillaume Portail", by Éditions Libre et Solidaire, is about to be released: it is announced for June 7.
As I may have already said, the author is trying a new literary form. While his previous writings were sort of philosophical essays, a little too difficult for the general public and not conventional enough to seduce the academic world, our writer embarks on a novel, while remaining faithful to the ideas that drive him. It is not a question of making use of these facilities which assure the big draws, but of a stylistic detour aiming to be finally heard.
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by sen-no-sen » 10/05/18, 22:14

Ahmed wrote:I have news from Bertrand Méheust: his next work, "The conversion of Guillaume Portail", by Éditions Libre et Solidaire, is about to be released: it is announced for June 7.
As I may have already said, the author is trying a new literary form. While his previous writings were sort of philosophical essays, a little too difficult for the general public and not conventional enough to seduce the academic world, our writer embarks on a novel, while remaining faithful to the ideas that drive him. It is not a question of making use of these facilities which assure the big draws, but of a stylistic detour aiming to be finally heard.


Good news!
I recently finished his last work "Jesus Wonderworker, investigation of man and his miracles".
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by Ahmed » 13/05/18, 19:33

I noted that in this novel, bertrand méheust happily renews the name of "decay" with the term "detumescence". Thus, we go from a negative opposite, therefore linked to what it condemns, to a positive substantive: detumescence is the end of a swelling, of a blistering, the return to a normal state. Tumescence results from infection or trauma; it also designates the swelling of erectile tissues, therefore a sexual connotation ...; I do not know if the author wants to introduce through this the symbolic end of the rape of the planet?
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by sen-no-sen » 13/05/18, 19:39

Ahmed wrote:I noted that in this novel, bertrand méheust happily renews the name of "decay" with the term "detumescence". Thus, we go from a negative opposite, therefore linked to what it condemns, to a positive substantive: detumescence is the end of a swelling, of a blistering, the return to a normal state. Tumescence results from infection or trauma; it also designates the swelling of erectile tissues, therefore a sexual connotation ...; I do not know if the author wants to introduce through this the symbolic end of the rape of the planet?


As explained Roddier, the current economic system is based on the same principle as ... cancer:Growth, deregulation and cancer: Normal tissue grows during childhood and then stops growing during adolescence. They only continue to grow if they are stimulated by growth signals, for example to repair damaged tissue; cancerous tissue has the following properties:(...)
http://www.francois-roddier.fr/?p=43
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by Ahmed » 13/05/18, 19:53

Yes, I had noticed this particularly relevant and enlightening analogy. It is the obligation of the accumulation of abstract value which, by itself, determines the set of behaviors observed.
Bertrand Méheust, since his book is finished, is now freer and will be able to look into the writings of F. Roddier, it is in any case what he assured me. I also urged him to read Robert Kurz.
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by Janic » 14/05/18, 11:04

http://www.francois-roddier.fr/?p=43
Regarding the article cited:
In a major article published in 2000 (1), two American cancer experts, Douglas Hanahan and Robert A. Weinberg describe the characteristic signs of cancerous tissue. This article is the subject of a special page on Wikipedia. The authors list six distinctive signs that are thought to add a seventh today. These characteristic signs can be easily transposed to human societies. We are struck by how much they apply to the current liberal societies.

this similarity between the development of cancers and that of our societies is indeed striking and especially since the explosion of these pathologies having never existed in such proportions in the near or distant past.
Interestingly too, one should look at how to deal with the subject in medicine and in a similar way in politics which precisely shapes societies.
So, it would be good to focus not on how to deal with this plague, but on why it has grown so much and therefore how to be able to apply to society as to tumors, the same processes intended to reduce and ultimately eliminate this pathology.
Unfortunately, our civil or medical society wanted to resolve the effects without really tackling the causes.
Warburg, quoted, had noticed that cancer cells had an enormous energy need, and thus in sugar, and, according to him, the best way to exhaust them was to close the tap which supplied them and at the same time the fight would stop for lack of stewardship. It was simple in appearance!
But was it the sugar that had to be questioned because the rest of the body had this same need and its removal (assuming it was possible), would have caused the death of the patient. And above all: why had not all previous generations developed these pathologies in the same proportions, when physiologically and therefore biologically humans have not changed in a few decades? Mystery and gum balls!
Warburg ended up noticing that it was not the complex sugars, which we find in our usual foods, that were the cause, but precisely the industrial sugars devitalized by various physical and chemical processes. So, he notices cane sugar, unrefined, did not feed these anarchic cells.
He also realized that:
According to Warburg, the induction of an acidification state in the body is incompatible with the metabolism of cancer cells3.
This last point is indeed fundamental in the development of cancers and particularly that of children who are usually free (before excessive industrialization in the food and medical fields) of this pathology which now strikes more and more soon, even infants. Why ?
Before the explosion of modern methods of care, nature produced in all children periods of intense fever characteristic of these childhood illnesses (which, poorly channeled, can become pathogenic), and these fevers served to acidify the organism by burning also the toxins accumulated in it. The excessive use of anti-febrifuges, vaccines that prevent these diseases from being expressed, stopped these salutary reactions and the humoral basification, favorable to the development of cancers is installed, almost permanently from where these explosions of childhood cancers in addition to those of adults. But who consumes, in addition, a maximum of industrial sugars: children! Bingo!
Less acidification, less fevers and more devitalized sugars equal the great cancer boom!
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