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by Ahmed » 05/01/17, 17:52

Schizophrenia?
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by izentrop » 06/01/17, 10:12

Ahmed wrote:Schizophrenia?
There is something to be ... or to become : Shock:
"The markets took three days to digest Brexit, three hours to digest the election of Trump and three minutes to digest the no to the Italian referendum. "The formula was taken up by all market observers, underlining the astounding resistance of the finance world to the big political shocks of 2016." It is to wonder if the markets would react to an invasion of the Earth by the Martians ”, quips Albert Edwards, one of Societe Generale's star analysts.
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And the debt that continues to swell
2017 is one of the most at risk years since 2012. The state will issue nearly 10 billion Thursday and borrow at 50 years. The French rate deviates from the German rate.

The state will still have to raise some 200 billion euros this year on the financial markets

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by Ahmed » 06/01/17, 18:38

The financial markets can possibly "cough" on the occasion of such or such event, insofar as they are now largely decoupled from the real economy, they are sheltered from the great previous fluctuations, since these phenomena current events do not call into question its operating logic. The only thing that threatens the markets is that the purely tautological aspect of their self-valuation emerges in broad daylight and the emptiness of the hope that one day the expectations of profit will materialize, instead of simply being replaced by other loans ...

Regarding the amount of debt, it is quite normal for it to increase, since this mechanism is the only one that has been found since the conditions for the remuneration of the enormous accumulated capital can no longer be ensured by an increasing mobilization of labor power (it is even exactly the opposite that we observe!) and by an ever more massive production of goods (saturation of solvent demand). The relay of the concrete industry, taken by the financial industry, is now (since the years 70-80) the only one capable of achieving the condition of existence of the historical form of social relation called "capitalism" by thus overcoming, for a time, its fundamental contradiction.
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by Kokopelli seeds » 08/01/17, 13:56

Ahmed wrote:Schizophrenia?
Yes
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by Ahmed » 08/01/17, 21:50

The author of the article cited by you, Kokopelli seeds, presents an interesting analysis of its evolution, but it is mistaken on an important point: the anticapitalists whom it identifies at the beginning are, in reality only altercapitalists, convinced on the bottom that the prodigious capacity of the technostructure to produce wealth Concrete actions could be put to work for the well-being of all, provided that the excesses of speculation and social inequalities are remedied.
However, a capitalist society which would be deprived of this, dixit N.Sarkozy "uninhibited vision of money" (in other words without this veil of modesty which covered the possession of fortune) and evolving towards more democracy in terms of income, would see nothing of its purpose changed and if the "rich who destroy planet "(Hervé Kempf ) ceased to do so, it would be the whole population who would do it. This essentially moralizing vision has the mistake of obscuring reality.
Indeed, changing the modalities is totally insufficient, only a fundamental change could avoid the destruction of the conditions of life on Earth, a drama to which we are addicted to a crazy ideology, which is the endless increase in value abstract ...
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by Kokopelli seeds » 08/02/17, 12:53

Ahmed wrote: Changing the modalities is totally insufficient, only a fundamental change could avoid the destruction of the conditions of life on Earth, a drama to which we are addicted to a crazy ideology, which is the endless increase in abstract value. .


"I leave aside the question of knowing whether, delicating humanity in proportion to the new pleasures it brings to it, indefinite progress would not be its most ingenious and its cruelest torture; if, proceeding by a stubborn negation of it - even, it would not be an incessantly renewed mode of suicide, and if, locked in the circle of fire of divine logic, it would not resemble the scorpion which pierces itself with its terrible tail, this eternal desideratum which makes his eternal despair? "

Charles Baudelaire

"He leaves, he leaves, as if he was going somewhere, leaving there, in the room on the floor scattered the flowers of the ball. In the axis is his motor. He takes off, his accelerator consoles him. The guitars playing. strong in his cockpit are an amniotic comfort to him. He rolls, he rolls like the tears which flow leaving there, in the room, on the floor scattered the flowers of the ball. "

He rolls. The Flowers of the Ball (Alain Souchon and Laurent Voulzy)

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by Ahmed » 08/02/17, 18:01

Special cronyism: Fabrice Nicolino comes out towards the end of February its new book in an election context which diverts the attention of the media and the public, but which deals with a much more important subject, although it will not be at all question in the debates between the candidates: all the more reason to be interested .
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by Kokopelli seeds » 08/02/17, 18:43

Thank you Ahmed for the information regarding Fabrice Nicolino's book.
Concerning BP (really of circumstance these initials) it left this argument on February 6:
"(...) tax hydrogen like they tax gasoline fuel - something they don't know how to do with battery electric vehicles."
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/hydrogen ... nd-piccard
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by sen-no-sen » 10/02/17, 12:06

Ahmed wrote:Special cronyism: Fabrice Nicolino comes out towards the end of February its new book in an election context which diverts the attention of the media and the public, but which deals with a much more important subject, although it will not be at all question in the debates between the candidates: all the more reason to be interested .
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I really like the rants of Fabrice Nicolino.
Do you know the content of the book?
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by Ahmed » 10/02/17, 17:14

I am not aware of the exact content, only of what is indicated on the back cover, that this book is a relative optimism by proposing five tracks which would allow, if they were followed (everything is in the "if "!), to avoid the worst ...

I would obviously not fail to make a review of it as soon as I read it ...
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