World Energy 2030 projection: reminders for dreamers

[Rulian]

Ah ah ah I don't know pkoi but I was sure (that it would not please you) !!

You know me well

Ben looks at the CME curves on the first page ... are not so "different" ...

Can you translate "CME" please?

[Christophe]

World Energy Committee, see page 1 and here: https://www.econologie.com/la-pollution- ... es-53.html
or directly: http://www.worldenergy.org/

[Capt_Maloche]

The analysis of this document is good but indeed, it does not talk about resources at all

towards the end, he talks about a second program on the subject, can't you get it back?

For the effect of warming in parallel with the number of sunspots, the data should be checked:

on the one hand the warming curves follow the concentration of CO2 in the air, and the scientific community seems to validate

on the other, the temperature curves follow the number of sunspots ...

There is therefore one of the two studies in error, if not, it is that the sun influences the rate of CO2

[Christophe]

There is therefore one of the two studies in error, if not, it is that the sun influences the rate of CO2

Well, is it not?

... more sun = more T ° = more (micro) biological activity = more CO2 ... and methane too ...

But please, we are not going to start the controversy again here, we have already done it on other subjects! What is important is that resources are running out ... and that there is still a slight problem with the climate ... the rest is blah ...

[Capt_Maloche]

Blah blah, that's it

indeed the subject is:
What resources do we really have to continue to "grow", how many humans can we support sustainably on our earth and what alternative energies will we have?

however, on the climate, these curves are in doubt, right?



we are in an apparently "optimal" phase compared to the last millennium
see a brilliant study provided in documentation on CO2, sun and temperature: http://planet-terre.ens-lyon.fr/planett ... m-temp.xml


however, fossil fuels will become scarce and their cost will increase

CONCLUSION OF THE DOCUMENT

We can assume that the current "cold" will last as long as the Himalayas (gigantic CO2 pump) last, for quite a few millions of years. When the Himalayas are "flattened", the rate of CO2 will increase again, and the temperature too, unless other mountains are formed in inter tropical countries.

On the scale of the history of the earth:
These variations, which have lasted for a few hundred million years (see the 3 diagrams at the top in the figure below) are part of "general trends":
CO2 decreases; it has been divided by 100 since the origin of the Earth (000th diagram in the figure below).
This diagram (in log scale) shows an almost linear decrease in the concentration of CO2 over time: the CO2 rate is divided by 10 to 100 every billion years.
Figure 15. Evolution of CO2 contents over 4,5 billion years.

Some indirect data for measuring partial pressure of CO2 have been published which seem to be in fairly good agreement with the modeled Berner curve. These evidences come from stable carbon isotopes in paleosols or from paleontological arguments like the density of stomata on fossil leaves. Source: Pierre Thomas document published in Life and Earth Sciences, 2nd, Eric Périlleux collection, Nathan, 2000.

This decrease is due to the slow and gradual increase in the quantity of terrestrial limestones.
During the same period, the energy radiated by the sun increased by 50% (For more information on long-term solar variability, see Anne Vigouroux's thesis online on the Nice observatory website.).

And overall, apart from the countless oscillations, the rise in the sun was offset by the drop in CO2 : The temperature of the Earth has always remained between 0 and 100 ° C (except once or twice - 2 million years ago, when the Earth was undoubtedly a ball of ice, frozen from the poles to the equator).

Hope it lasts !!!!!!

[Christophe]

Tain Daily has just released the video when it had been 6 months online ...

By cons they leave bullshit TF1 sarko et cie ... ca yes ... and even full of other cards below:
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/se ... s%2Bcartes

Isn't there a bit of denunciation below?

[Christophe]

Ah I found a mirror on daily: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x43i1m ... s_politics

Updates the links.

We will see how long it lasts ... this one !!

[thierry textoris]

I note that comments on this subject stop on August 28, 2008, just before the announcement of the global financial crisis that originated in the United States.

At the end of his presentation, the presenter takes great care (pleasure?) To specify that nothing, in the projections of the organizations he has cited, forecasts a decline in growth, a world war or a financial crisis as in 1929!

Result: masterful "plantade" both from this facilitator and from all the forecasts of the organizations mentioned: CME, AIE, OMS, BM, etc.

In 2009, growth was negative, there was even a recession in emerging countries, a worrying rise in unemployment in Europe and downright dramatic in the United States ...

To all those who think too proudly that the future is fossil fuel, we can answer that they are wrong.

Note: nothing is ever said about waste management and their savage "recycling" in Africa or China in a total absence of sanitary conditions for the workers.

Shouldn't the new world order be based on the "circular" economy?

[Christophe]

The stopping of comments on this subject is, I think, not linked to the crisis ...

However, since then we have put together a probable hypothesis: the financial and economic crisis which worsened sharply at the beginning of September is the DIRECT consequence of the price of a barrel at $ 150 in mid-July.

Indeed; there is a delay of approximately 6 weeks between quotation of crude oil and public price. This deadline perfectly coincides ... too perfectly to be a coincidence !!

In addition, this peak at $ 150, which had absolutely no fundamental reason to exist (see the barrel at $ 35 in recent weeks) except for various speculations, would have been a "test" to see if the "system in its together "remained stable. He did not remain stable and even went mad ...

En 2009, the growth is negative there is even a recession in emerging countries

Ah ah ah !! It is good and what distinguishes negative growth recession according to your criteria?

Waste management is still marginal in the supply of primary energy: especially that at the origin it is gray energy ... primary ... In fact the energy recovery of waste is a kind of recycling fossil fuels.

Le new world order

Please do not use bad words on these forums

[Capt_Maloche]

And this surge of oil forced some players to sell their assets, updating the financial shit that caused this funny mess

And I weigh my words.

But it was predictable, the speech of Sarko this evening was still not so bad and even joined on a lot of points that of Jacques Cheminade that I went to see this evening at his headquarters of Solidarity and progress;

it's also surprising, if Cheminade hadn't said it before sarko's speech (at half an hour), I would swear they had the same papers