Nuclear cogeneration

[Remundo]

The rest of your novel .... yes, the badges are there to check if people are infected. For the "cynical disinformers at EDF", it's weird no, to impose this badge

of + you still retain one of the negative points of nuclear power: the discharge of hot water which destabilizes the balance of nature .. a point of +! this is not direct plant warming that? =)
not to mention the impossibility of cooling the power plants at once, with the rivers which drop gradually ... a real bomb!

No, this is not global warming. This one is very negligible because the energy flow from the power plant is tiny compared to the solar flow trapped by CO2.

the waste produces not only plutonium for nuclear bombs, but above all depleted uranium (212 kg for 1 kg of enriched uranium) which is used to make depleted uranium bombs (char lecler etc ...) and their syndromes associated: gulf war, balkans, lebanon, and many others i imagine ...

TRUE. real admissible argument !!

[Remundo]

the plutonium can be breeded but it remains whole, after a while you can no longer extract anything from it and you have the product left, what do you do with it?

You store it or you bury it 200 km deep ... But of course from this point of view, it's boring ... I never said the opposite, but it is better than fossil oil. Great stubborn!

do you have a source for your so-called pumping stations that work at night? what is this story about sleeping upright?

And well you will sleep upright for a long time ... As the power plants, especially nuclear, have the defect of badly supporting the variations of production, they turn at night to operate the WWTPs. The next day, when the "gogos" wake up or come home from work in the evening and turn on the TV, EDF turbines the water stored at night and bills them per kWh during peak hours up to more than 20 cts Euros excluding tax.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89nerg ... 9lectrique
look at "STEP"

[Remundo]

are you aware that nuclear power is very bad for repodnant changing consumption? do you know that's why we force cities to be lit at night and not energy saving bulbs?

Well yes, I come to explain to you how EDF does to get rid of ... On lighting at night, you're right and it's a scandal. You're right, we pay.

At the same time, the French kWh is the cheapest in Europe ... thanks to nuclear power ... AND YES !!

It's not that I like it, Jonule ... it's a fact!

thermal power plants, only 1% of production, what is your source?

because:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89nergie_en_France

you will see 10% fossil ... but it is continuous fossil which is not "advanced". Most of them are independent operators who burn natural gas or petroleum residues. And it pollutes a max ... but for the moment, it's still profitable because oil is still not expensive enough.

[Remundo]

Finally, I do not allow myself to say what the pakistant or India must do, I do not take myself for the Pope.

Didn't you understand that we had an interest in controlling their uranium supply and enrichment? You do it on purpose ? Gaddafi with carte blanche on it, it's very dangerous. India and Pakistan are in this case and they were on the verge of getting "on the face" with atomic bombs at one time ... So from time to time, you have to take the cassock of "pope" to spare yourself some insidious and foreseeable dangers.

I'll tell you, Jonule, you're tiring. You get excited and you don't think calmly enough because you get emotional. I can see that uranium turns your guts upside down ... but that's not why it's worse than smoke, CO2 from fossil oil, chemical emissions etc ... I'm telling you that friendly, but you don't want to 'swallow it'. Surely because your guts are mad because of nuclear power . But you know, me too, nuclear, I don't digest it very well ... but it ends up passing, for lack of anything better for the moment

Come on, hi!

[Remundo]

Hi Renaud67

Superphenix was closed for political reasons devoid of any scientific reason.

The financial rush was made because it was planned to run the site 20 years and it worked only a few years. So all the initial investment was not amortized, the money was lost, and even wasted for the dismantling of a viable and recent site.

In my opinion, the breed, it will come out of the boxes, especially if the oil rises strongly ...

Alternatives to nuclear? Photovoltaic solar energy in a desert or marine environment, with high voltage cable to transport energy. Solar energy represents 10 times human needs.

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Finally super-phoenix was still stopped ... so to see if the research but as much time to achieve that the waste no longer be dangerous we have not returned
That said, which alternatives to nuclear are immediately applicable

[Flytox]

Hello Remundo

At the same time, the French kWh is the cheapest in Europe ... thanks to nuclear power ... AND YES !!

It's not that I like it, Jonule ... it's a fact!

No, it is not a fact but a slogan. Don't spread this totally false pro-nuclear bullshit. French kWh is not the cheapest in Europe, it is sold without counting the true (astronomical) price of the dismantling of the atomic power stations. You are well aware that all the plants built a few decades ago will one day be dismantled and that the cost will be astronomical.

When we reduce the price of KWh produced to the real price of power stations to produce it over their entire lifetime, dismantling included, we will talk about it again. Chances are, the comparison will be painful.

It doesn't matter until EDF sells "its" kWh at "good" prices to our neighbors ....

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9man ... 3.A8lement

http://sortirdunucleaire29.free.fr/docu ... nnilis.pdf

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[Remundo]

Very fair Flytox .. And you believe that the cost of dismantling all the other plants is well understood in the kWh of hydro, solar photovoltaic, thermal, and so on ....

You believe that the cost of oil today takes into account the considerable future losses that global warming risks producing (flood, storm, desertification ...)

Do not put on the back of nuclear power what you do not put (AT TORT!) On the back of all other forms of energy or products ...

The eco-taxes that have just come out and still do not fund recycling enough, show that for 50 years, everyone did not care about recycling industrial products.

It is in human nature to underestimate these costs in order to have an immediate profit and throw the thing off the Greek calendars. But the nuclear industry is not more affected than the other industries by this problem, except perhaps for the storage of waste which is more complex, but not that much: a big very deep hole with vitrified drums, all sunk in reinforced concrete miles deep.

Nothing is simple, nothing is decided ...

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[Tagor]

Very fair Flytox .. And you believe that the cost of dismantling all the other plants is well understood in the kWh of hydro, solar photovoltaic, thermal, and so on ....

it's wrong !!

AREVA claims that each time it sells a power plant in the world it puts the amount equivalent to its derangement
in a pot ...

the only problem is that nobody has really
dismantled a power plant then the controversy begins ...

because if he really took into account the cost of the dementement
and waste reprocessing ... everything would be clean nickel ...

for the moment this is far from being the case !!



PS:

for the comparison between hydraulic and nuclear power plants
I think anyone will see that there is just no point
common ...
well I had already said that I would no longer respond to this kind of argument ... but sometimes I can not resist

[Capt_Maloche]

WOW! Remundo, you loose

In any case I do not change my mind, I am pro nuclear today but I am looking with you for alternatives capable of providing the power required at the right time

This is where we realize that we have to find a way to store solar energy

I'm going to the Interclimat show tomorrow, and I'll see if there has been some progress on photovoltaics

I will take pictures

[loop]

Bonsoir

Remundo, frankly, I ask nothing better than to believe you, but the reality is often hidden by those who would have a lot to lose from revelations about the real dangerousness of nuclear power. We are too accustomed to "state lies" which claim to preserve national welfare.
For me, nuclear power is too sacred in France for anyone to dare touch it.

I do not believe at all in the absence of contamination between the different circuits, primary, secondary and cooling towers
There is certainly no physical contact between them, but the radiation can very well activate a radioactivity absent in the natural state in the water used, but this is only a personal hypothesis

We are almost all in agreement that it is time to move on to something else and to rethink our consumption and production methods, all energy combined
Unfortunately, the too low cost of nuclear electricity "kills" the interest that could be shown in renewable alternatives
The most telling symbol for me is the abandonment of wind turbine manufacturing by the Frenchman Jeumont Industrie, a subsidiary of Framatome (AREVA group)
Here is a company with promising development potential, which had developed the direct drive generator, dropped by its main shareholder who forced him to abandon this sector
Result, the French wind disappears, in favor of foreign companies while the national market is booming (it's a bit chauvinistic I know but I can not hide it)
Since then, AREVA has bought shares in Repower, N ° 1 in Europe
Go understand logic?
Unless AREVA has decided to sink the sector in turn?

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