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by C moa » 27/10/08, 12:51

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Obviously, the media should have corrected a long time ago


For me it is not the man ... but our current "way of life and comfort" that the warming will condemn ...
So let's say that it is the modern man who is condemned and not the planet.
But what is modern man?
Certainly in the last 30-40 years we have seen the explosion of the consumer society with all its good and bad sides. But for me it is not what is most in danger in what I call modern man because we will manage to survive and even live without an Ipod, a plasma TV, without our computers and the Internet, without our portable and even without a big German sedan.
For me, what poses a problem to me is the disappearance of:
- Globally organized societies which allow us to sleep on our two ears without checking 20 times a night if we have baricaded the house, without checking 20 times that the Kalashnikov is in its place;
- Organized companies with systems for the production of drinking water and treatment of our wastewater, which globally distributes energy to those who need it (even if it is too often wasted);
- hospitals that are capable of treating illnesses as simple as bronchitis (poorly treated this can quickly turn into pneumonia) or malaria and cholera (which will not fail to appear with the lack of hygiene and mosquitoes rising towards our lattitudes). Let us remember the damage in the 18-19th centuries and before epidemics of plague, Spanish fever, leprosy ...;
- an educational system which, although imperfect, allows the greatest number of people to have a sufficient knowledge base to evolve in a world much more complex than the Middle Ages ...

The destruction of modern man is not only the disappearance of our overconsumption !!!

Look at Blade Runner: it rains 24/24 ... because of industrial pollution.

In the worst case, in the event of a runaway and massive extinction (99% of humans), I think that the ingenuity of the human species and its technology will allow it to survive ... but far from current comfort!
If 99% of the human population disappears, what technology do you think it will have? Do you believe that within 1% there will be enough technicians / engineers, doctors or scientists to reconstruct this technology ?? Unless the disaster is anticipated and governments select some to shelter them, I am afraid that an apocalyptic scenario like this one will simply make us go back a few millennia back and that the slope will be lasts or even impossible to reassemble.

PS: otherwise, despite these words, I'm fine, : Mrgreen: I got up on the right foot and I'm happy to be where I am : Mrgreen:
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by Christophe » 27/10/08, 12:57

We quite agree c moa ... when I said "far from the current comfort" that implied a few centuries (millennium?) Of going back ... but we cannot generalize ...

The living standards and average comfort of the free Romans (= non-slaves) were 2000 years ago higher than the current standard of living of certain poor countries and probably European peasants of the middle ages ... but this at the only price of l 'slavery!
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by bpval » 27/10/08, 14:40

Hello

The Roman Empire was a bit expansionist

And owed its comfort only to the plunder of these provinces (food products, taxes and governors)
Slavery going without saying.
And the flight forward too
More conquest ... more territory ... more wealth
Thanks to a superb tool: its military supremacy

It started to spoil when the levers of command relaxed ... too big, too complex ... and a loss of ambition in the Roman jet set

Should we attempt a rapprochement with our current "civilization"
I don't think so or maybe symbolically

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by Former Oceano » 27/10/08, 14:48

Somewhere I find that there is a certain analogy between humanity and a brain.

During its development, there is an increase in the number of neurons then after there is no longer any production of neurons but there is an explosion in the number of synapses. The number of human beings is increasing, it is starting to calm down (finally!) But at the same time communication has intensified. We have moved from physical communication to the electronic and digital age. One person can be in contact with thousands or even millions of other people.

In the brain comes after a maturation phase during which the useless neurons disappear and the final product has a slowly decreasing number of neurons, which evolves only through the synaptic network.

Will we continue to follow the same path?
Who will be eliminated?
What modes of communication will succeed the ubiquitous GSM 3G Web?

On these reflections, I will use a large black and hot glass of antioxidants (coffee in fact ...)
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by bpval » 27/10/08, 14:50

Though thought about

by rereading myself and changing a few words here and there ... we must be able to draw a parallel even on a plane other than ... symbolic

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by Gregconstruct » 27/10/08, 18:18

Christophe wrote:For me it's not the man ...

Who takes the sea ... TatataaaImage
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by Christophe » 27/10/08, 18:25

bpval wrote:Should we attempt a reconciliation with our current "civilization" I do not think so or perhaps symbolically


And yet we all have at least 2 slaves: oil and electricity (indirectly from fossil energy)

Do you believe that humanity would have known the development which it knew in the 20th century without the massive exploitation of these 2 energy resources (all 2 fossils)? I am sure not! To say the opposite is to be crazy ...

More cynical: the Nazis would probably not have lasted so long without the labor of the labor (and death) camps and the STO established in all the "conquered" countries ...

Whole Ocean, I did not understand your analogy between cervo, comfort and communication: the weak who disappear?
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by Gregconstruct » 27/10/08, 18:31

Christophe wrote:[And yet we all have at least 2 slaves: oil and electricity (indirectly from fossil energy)


Now, it is rather us who have become slaves ...
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by Christophe » 27/10/08, 18:47

Ah no Greg ... we are dependent on them but they are our slaves because they provide much more work than what a human could provide for the same cost ...

This is Jancovici's theory of virtual slaves: each Frenchman would have ten at home ... on average, of course.

Ditto for the horses under the hood ... you can also make an analogy with the Romans (or other civilization): the number of (real) horses was proportional to the social level of their owner ... currently it's a bit the same : to have a car of 200 (virtual) horses you have to have a certain "social" level ...

I put "" because the social level often rises by doing anti-social: careerism, crushing of his colleagues and his convictions (for the rare human who still have ...) ... on this c it's time for the Gregounet aperitif!
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by Gregconstruct » 27/10/08, 18:51

I had not seen it from this angle!

Fortunately that you point out to me, I was going to be late for the aperitif Image
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