1 kwh, what is it?

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by swift2540 » 14/01/10, 23:41

We are talking about power, not morals or ethics ...
I would take the time to see your link, I'm interested
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by jmarc3 » 14/01/10, 23:46

swift2540 wrote:Nevertheless, the demonstration is clear to me.
Even with a ridiculous yield of 5%, which is ready to mount 1200L of water at 300m in height for 2 € :?:

QED : Cheesy:


It's not even 2 euros, in France the kwh costs according to the subscriptions and the hours between 7 and 11 euro cents!
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by Christophe » 14/01/10, 23:54

swift2540 wrote:Nevertheless, the demonstration is clear to me.
Even with a ridiculous yield of 5%, which is ready to mount 1200L of water at 300m in height for 2 € :?:

QED : Cheesy:


Uh it's a joke your question ... because currently there are "still" people who work for less than 2 € for 12-15 hours a day ... that may be enough to mount 1200 L of 300 m no ?
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by Christophe » 14/01/10, 23:56

jmarc3 wrote:It's not even 2 euros, in France the kwh costs according to the subscriptions and the hours between 7 and 11 euro cents!


Negative because precisely the subscription you pay for it.
In the end on average for individuals it is 11 cts at double tariff and 12 cts at single tariff ...

On the other hand, in LARGE quantities, Powernext ca rating can drop to 0.8 cent / kWh !!!

The proof in pictures (taken from https://www.econologie.com/forums/auriez-vou ... t9004.html )

Christophe wrote:
Remundo wrote:They divide their electricity bills annually by the kWh consumed, if we see are 10 cts / kWh. It may even be that some approaching 1 € / kWh, 100 € cts / kWh.


: Shock: your comment can be just but is probably extremely rare and is only valid for a very low actual consumption, for example for a second home, and taking into account the subscription.

On average, the "true" price (ie ALL inclusive) for the individual is 12 cents / kWh in France.

For AC industry can fall much lower, for example date of this year fell 0.8 in cents / kWh (yes you read but without subscription and it is highly volatile) (See quotation Powernext http://www.lesechos.fr/powernext/index.php )

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ps: just to have an order of magnitude, on the "same scale" the PV buyback price is 580 € / MWh, more than 10 times the "base spot" of today at 55 € / Mwh .. .
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by swift2540 » 15/01/10, 00:12

Christophe wrote:Uh it's a joke your question ... because currently there are "still" people who work for less than 2 € for 12-15 hours a day ... that may be enough to mount 1200 L of 300 m no ?
:?

Arf, did you all decide to play c..s or what?
The basic demonstration (1st post) is to explain to idiots like me (a little less now) that 1kwh can replace ~ 2 days of work for cheap. That's all. And I understood.
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by bernardd » 15/01/10, 00:38

swift2540 wrote:The basic demonstration (1st post) is to explain to idiots like me (a little less now) that 1kwh can replace ~ 2 days of work for cheap. That's all. And I understood.


The logical conclusion is that any nation that sells oil from its subsoil below the price of an average daily wage per KWh is defrauded by the oil company ...

And it is because Chavez, for example, understood this, that he is highly threatened.
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by Christophe » 15/01/10, 01:41

Would you like to sell the oil compared to the price of equivalent human energy? A bit radical as a proposal, right?

This ties in with the idea of ​​Jancovici's "virtual oil slaves" in "Full please"... I think we all have a 30 groin + at least 50 horsepower ... under the hood of course!
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by bernardd » 15/01/10, 09:43

Christophe wrote:Would you like to sell the oil compared to the price of equivalent human energy? A bit radical as a proposal, right?


It is the principle of fixing prices in relation to possible substitutions. And that is what is going on for solar installations with subsidies today, right?

But the real problem is that in some countries the average wage is so low that even the price of oil is at the level of the average wage there ...
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