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Re: From Popcorn by mobile GSM 4 waves - EM pollution




by Obamot » 22/05/16, 19:31

It is normal that in these subjects, everyone remains on their positions. Everyone is not completely wrong or completely right.
The common mistake in the event of pathologies would be to stop at 80% to 90% of the population "with whom it will do nothing"(or not much and this is the case for almost ALL types of pathologies ...). What interests us, therefore, are the 10 or 15% of people at risk, and there it becomes much more complicated to know what is wrong with them, how and why, or if it will evolve favorably or unfavorably ... Moreover, statistical studies rarely take into account the "field", which still skews the situation.

But to say that there is no risk ...! : Mrgreen:
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by izentrop » 22/05/16, 20:09

Obamot wrote:But to say that there is no risk ...!
I never claimed that.
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by Obamot » 22/05/16, 21:52

Hi Izentrop,

No. Everything is fine. It's just that your post happened to happen to precede mine.
I never said you said it and I'm not even sure someone said it, let alone thought of you when writing it, it was just to arouse a little vigilance . There are people who are much more sensitive to it and others almost not at all!

Good evening to you. And everyone.
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by izentrop » 23/05/16, 09:04

Obamot wrote:There are people who are much more sensitive to it and others almost not at all!
It is a fact, the standards take it into account, but most often as EMF and OEM are invisible, they are attributed to evils which have a completely different origin.
Speaking of EM without specifying whether it is a field or a wave does not make sense.
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by Obamot » 23/05/16, 09:25

The standards do not take into account the resistivity or the PH of the water you drink (and even less the quantity of minerals in mg / l it contains) do not take into account your acid-base balance (see PH urine VS salivary) not take into account your blood sugar level, your calcium metabolism, fat metabolism, etc ... The standards by definition are ... standards and do not in particular cases + amounts of other factors contributing to good VS bad "ground".
What the standards should do (and they do not do well, see not at all in the majority) would be to put on the market products that remain in the adjustment variables of what a human being should be able to regulate throughout his life ... Standards are made to not kill people in the short term. In the medium and long term it should be the responsibility of individuals, I will be told: well, standards must also be there to protect people in spite of themselves (for example the sale of alcohol and tobacco prohibited to minors) it is true that there are standards relatively well made in some cases (You should not deny the positive things), but it is by far not a generality, alas (far from it). Thus, many poisons are still over the counter (when they should simply be banned and substituted by others without danger), and products which are healthy and should absolutely be marketed under good conditions (precisely thanks to strict standards) are not!

Because if they did it correctly, there would not be> 80% of pathologies due to degenerative diseases (say diseases of civilization, I said 80% on Futura, but a modo took me back by telling me that it was much more ... CQFD, but I maintain my 80%, because we cannot put everything in degenerative diseases, like hereditary genetic diseases: which cannot be attributed to deficiencies in guidelines from health authorities. ..)

So it turns out that some people trust this "system of standards" (which I can understand, but cannot fully agree with for the above reasons, among others), because I can completely dismantle many of these standards. (by showing the shortcomings of some, sometimes the standards work, but sometimes not at all) and as long as it is so, I will not be able to agree with those who will support them staunchly, without expressing cautious reservations.
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by izentrop » 23/05/16, 12:07

Obamot wrote: standards must also be there to protect people in spite of themselves (for example the sale of alcohol and tobacco prohibited to minors) c
I did not think in general and in terms of regulation more than standard.
ELF limit values ​​(CEM)

At the frequency of domestic electricity, 50 Hz, the limit values ​​are 100 microteslas (µT) for the magnetic field and 5 kV / m for the electric field.

RF limit values ​​(OEM)

For radio frequencies, the most common applications are those of mobile telephony. It is necessary here to differentiate the base stations and the mobile phone:

For a mobile phone base station, the entire body is exposed. The measurement parameter is the level of the electric field. The limit values ​​not to be exceeded are:
for a GSM 900 antenna: 41 V / m
for a GSM 1800 antenna: 58 V / m
for a UMTS antenna: 61 V / m
for wifi and microwave ovens: 61 V / m
for FM radio: 28 V / m
http://www.ineris.fr/ondes-info/content/valeurs_limites_exposition
In mobile telephony, fields are measured well below these values, even close to a GSM relay
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by Christophe » 23/05/16, 12:38

izentrop wrote:It should be noted that this is in the case of levels well above the established standards.


Yes except that these standards (the thresholds in V / m for example) vary enormously from one country to another, and this within Europe itself, proof that we do not understand much ... for the time being!!
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by Obamot » 23/05/16, 20:23

izentrop wrote:
Obamot wrote: standards must also be there to protect people in spite of themselves (for example the sale of alcohol and tobacco prohibited to minors) c
I did not think in general and in terms of regulation more than standard.
ELF limit values ​​(CEM)

At the frequency of domestic electricity, 50 Hz, the limit values ​​are 100 microteslas (µT) for the magnetic field and 5 kV / m for the electric field.

RF limit values ​​(OEM)

For radio frequencies, the most common applications are those of mobile telephony. It is necessary here to differentiate the base stations and the mobile phone:

For a mobile phone base station, the entire body is exposed. The measurement parameter is the level of the electric field. The limit values ​​not to be exceeded are:
for a GSM 900 antenna: 41 V / m
for a GSM 1800 antenna: 58 V / m
for a UMTS antenna: 61 V / m
for wifi and microwave ovens: 61 V / m
for FM radio: 28 V / m
http://www.ineris.fr/ondes-info/content/valeurs_limites_exposition
In mobile telephony, fields are measured well below these values, even close to a GSM relay

Inaccurate because:

1) WHO sets the standard based on tissue warming!

2) The WHO, which is the reference body, has already ruled on the biological effects, they have been classified as "probably carcinogenic" by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), a branch of the WHO, in 2011. It is therefore as for nuclear power, we must avoid any dose: that's the biology side!

3) The standards are only based on tissue warming (and not on biological disturbances mainly due to extremely low frequencies).

4) As a precautionary principle, the recommendations recommend a maximum communication time of 6 minutes with a rest of 2 hours in order to let "cool the cerebral fluids" ... these are the exposure limit values ​​(which in no way hold account for metabolic differences, being exclusively related to "temperature" effects!

It can be deduced from this that the negative effects persist AFTER the end of the telephone call (or the intensive exposure near any source of emission). And if you have to wait 2 hours of "calm" it shows de facto how harmful these waves are and how they "cook" no cells with effect for 00 hours !!!

Reminder of the classification of carcinogens by IARC (crescendo)
Category 1A: certain carcinogens.
Category 2A: carcinogens probable for the man.
Category 2B: possible human carcinogens.
Category 3: not classifiable as to its carcinogenicity to humans.
Category 4: probably not carcinogenic to humans. Only one substance, caprolactam, has been classified in this category after IARC has assessed its carcinogenicity.

As a reminder of the "probable carcinogens" : Arrowd:

List of 2A Carcinogens (IARC)

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by izentrop » 23/05/16, 23:27

Obamot wrote:the recommendations recommend a maximum communication time of 6 minutes with a rest of 2 hours in order to "cool the cerebral fluids
As you do not cite your sources I did my little research.

We find this quoted sentence as it never gave a source on different alternative medicine sites:
http://www.lemieuxetre.ch/ondes/ondes_h ... _intro.htm
http://www.cem-vivant.com/page-le-monde ... ie,83.html
http://www.sport-sante-performance.fr/e ... iques.html

By digging a little more, I found this document http://www.ineris.fr/centredoc/rapport_ ... ampsV5.pdf
or the 6 minutes is an arbitrary measurement period.

Do you have a serious reference to this sentence?
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by Obamot » 23/05/16, 23:49

For the moment, the one whose lack of seriousness of sources is examined is you, have you forgotten?
After a brief lull, you resume your troll behavior. Pity.

As for the exposure recommended without risk, it is ZERO USE, or failing that, a wired headset. Bar point.
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