EcoVillage project

[pluesy]

I think that wind is cheaper to install than solar for the production of current plus it occupies almost no floor space I was visiting a small wind park in Blamont (16 wind turbines of 2 Mw) I not find that it made noise ...
on the business sign they say that it can power a city of 40 inhabitants and that the total cost was 000 million euros or less than 35 euros per inhabitants for this price you have barely 1000m2 of photovoltaic panels that will give you max 2kw per day and it will be necessary to recycle ...

cows and sheep grazed quietly under the wind turbines and their presence did not seem to disturb them for the mochetée I rather found it grand and majestic (blades 82m in diameter and pestle 80m high!)

me personally I was conquered

I would like one at home ...
but hey I don't have the financial means for such a big

[zac]

me personally I was conquered

I would like one at home ...
but hey I don't have the financial means for such a big

hi everyone, hi pluesly
You were won over because you never lived below.
wind in an ecovilage is great for bringing the fleet; for the juice there is too much fault (reliability, buffer batteries, cost of the installations etc ...).
I believe much more in the drastic savings (no freezer but a salting room, a smoking room and old-style preserves, manual solar or ultrasonic washing machines, bioclimatic houses, "solar" life cycle etc)
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zac

[Thunderman]

thunderman, it would be more than small artisanal wind turbines each supplying a building!

Not just one as said in the text.

[gegyx]

Pluesy
Your hypothesis:
16 wind turbines of 2 mw = 32 mw for 40 inhabitants
total cost of € 35 million, or less than € 1000 per capita.
For this price, you have barely 2m2 of photovoltaic panels, which will give you a maximum of 2kw per day and which will have to be recycled ...

So by the same token, with photovoltaic panels,
2kw x 40 inhabitants = 000kw = 80 mw
more than double your wind turbines….

[denis]

hi, zac, do you see yourself washing the laundry manually?
There I laugh! before we get there, if we have resolved all the other wastes, there is no need for energy! lavelinge is one of the rare real progress! I don't see myself tapping the laundry on the laundry! (I have one !!), however, given my first name , we can already limit the number of washes, without necessarily being dirty
For wind turbines, I find it decorative , and for those who are birds, it's a good farce! for noise, the new blades are bcp + silent, but detractors will always have excuses!

[pluesy]

Pluesy
Your hypothesis:
16 wind turbines of 2 mw = 32 mw for 40 inhabitants
total cost of € 35 million, or less than € 1000 per capita.
For this price, you have barely 2m2 of photovoltaic panels, which will give you a maximum of 2kw per day and which will have to be recycled ...

So by the same token, with photovoltaic panels,
2kw x 40 inhabitants = 000kw = 80 mw
more than double your wind turbines….

don't calculate like that ...

my 2kwh it was for a full day ...

2m2 of photovoltaic panels gives around 200 wh in peak
(full sun and at 14 p.m. under our lattitude) by multiplying by a 10-hour day I get 2kwh (ladle)

a wind turbine that can work at night if you have a very windy day it makes 2000 kwh x 24h which makes 48 000 kwh per wind turbine x 16 wind turbines it gives 768 000 kwh all divided by 40 000 which gives 19.2 kWh per inhabitants for a day

photovoltaics is high technology (clean room ect ...) wind any good handyman knows how to do with materials recovered right to left (car axles, EDF poles reformed ect ...)

the maintenance of a wind turbine and easy and the yield does not drop over time the photovoltaic one does not repair one throws ...

wind is a bit like the razor knife of our grandfather (a razor for life ...)
the photovoltaic is bic (of the consumable what ...) must make the trade work ...

as long as we do not know how to make photovoltaic which lasts mini 100 years with a yield of 30% constant over time for cheap I would be for mechanical solar (steam turbine concentrator) at least we can put our hands there when it works ...
more the cost price per installed kw and derisoir compared to photovoltaic
for example
if you take a motorized dish you put a little bit of chrome paint on it
in place of the HF head you put a small reserve of hot water through the concentrator which supplies steam to an electric compressor (to inflate the tires) 12v of car a little modified or even simpler
a pneumatic drill (50 euros new!) coupled to a DC motor for modeling (in the 50 euros too) or a car alternator
it will cost you less and you will have more power

[zac]

hi, zac, do you see yourself washing the laundry manually?

Didn't you try the black painted egg species? You put the laundry, the water and the soapnuts in the morning (all in the sun) you make 2 turns of crank, at midday you do 2 turns of crank, in the evening itou and you empty the water; rinse for the night and the next morning you have 5kg of nickel linen without effort (well, you almost have to hang it anyway)
For ultrasound it is even less tiring there is no lid to close and there is no need for washing product
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[denis]

what is egg like? that of the ostrich is still too small!
say more please
for ultrasound you need current, and it's not about efficiency

[zac]

Hello
ask the gypsy granny! they all used it in the 50s (the egg).

It is an egg-shaped thing, made of aluminum with a lid on top mounted on a support with a crank in the middle to stir and empty. Put on a boat and filled pile pile with the swell it turns all alone. I did my laundry with her for years, had less work than go to the laundromat and the laundry was cleaner.

For ultrasound, I think that if it is used in Japanese and Australlien industrial laundries it is because it has to wash, it eats much less of everything and its works in 12v continuous
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[denis]

ok, and this egg, we still find it? (or?), for the ultra sound I bought a kit at conrad: disappointing, as often, I stop ordering!