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by chatelot16 » 25/01/16, 20:23

Christophe wrote:Well, I did not know that the wood had a better Young's modulus than steel ... : Shock:

After yes there are glued laminated beams that allow very large range but their cost prohibits use in the particular (or just the very rich a little megalo ...)


the Young's modulus is not the criterion allowing long wear, it is rather the ratio resistance weight ... and in ratio resistance weight the good woods are very good! that's what made it possible to make wooden planes before making them in aluminum

for the construction of home lerapporte resitant weight is not the main one: it is especially the report resistance price, and I find the wood material the most economic as one does not exceed 4 or 5m ... for longer it takes the glued laminated and the glue is too expensive ... I find the glued laminated too expensive, so I confirm that for long worn steel can be more economical

finally do not forget the wood in farmhouse: the farmhouse connectors are cheap and we can assemble wood to make large farms ... alas the farmer builder is made of c ... in gold and try to keep this technique secrete ... yet it's easy and it should be done in self-construction

in France there is a lamentable lack of housing and alas we let the profiteers take advantage of the situation ... there is real politics to do to put the order
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by Obamot » 26/01/16, 13:14

Remundo wrote:yes Obamot,

we know your point of view quite aggressive. Maybe it's well founded, maybe not.

Because I find that one "reasons" (to debate in confusion would be a more adapted verb) on things which are not defined at the beginning.

Have a sketch for example, a clear cut of a typical wall designed by Mr FURTER. There is one at the beginning of this topic. Is it still relevant ? Are there any clarifications or modifications to make?

If we imagine 2 steel-frames well separated between the outside and the inside of the house, why not. The question is: what is between 2; airblades, and what else?

Surround the steel with reflective "condoms", why not also if that protects the steel from corrosion and / or thermal expansion, but I believe that it is more the complete surface of the wall which should deploy a reflective film .

Also have the results of energy expenditures incurred on the house-witness.

that would be more "constructive", if you allow me the expression. :P

Yes, it is a sterile subject, because every time a point raises awkward question the patent is brandished saying that it is not possible to say what it is (while the answer is known it is niet with thin insulators). Or, with unshakable self-confidence, one comes across peremptory sentences that are not based on anything.

So compared to this kind of context I was rather stoic in comparison : Cheesy: : Cheesy: : Cheesy: I must be at 2 / 10 compared to before : Mrgreen:

This is explained very well by the fact that Furter - without revealing in any way its principle - could have extricated us a formula of computation to contest the arguments which are opposed to him, it did not do it ...!

Besides, I'm not going to shake it too much because I'm also from the industrial sector (and not exclusively the construction industry) so I can only praise his approach on the bottom (this especially as he wants to use what he there is good in the industry for the good of the people, it is rare enough to underline it and to say that this gentleman is rather ... sympathetic to me on the ideological level), but I believe that it is of our duty to tell him to rectify the shot. Off it does not seem to understand since the speech has hardly changed in five years (it's good, the laws of physics either!)
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by Christophe » 26/01/16, 13:22

chatelot16 wrote:there are only the patents drafted by the CPI that are of value ... and I have noticed it: a majority of patent are written anyhow ... it was before internet .... now we can consult them on the net without moving


Very wrong! A well-informed individual may well file a valid patent ... exploitation is something else!

No car manufacturer goes through an IPC! After you tell me that they have internally of course ...

Except that: I could see the patent of Renault and PSA whose scheme was drawn with the feet, like drawing of a child of 7 years ... not very pro therefore : Cheesy:
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by Ahmed » 26/01/16, 15:58

I am of the same opinion as Chatelot: an inventor is well placed to describe the technical aspects of his invention (whether it is brilliant or not, is not of any importance here), but this part is of little interest; on the other hand, the drafting of the "claims" must be done carefully and only from a legal angle, in particular the first which must, in a codified form, establish the difference from other patents in the same sector of activity ... If, when writing this "princeps" claim, we miss a point, even if only a comma, this invalidates the entire document.
For the "dependent", it is necessary to rely on the particularities of the device, drawn from inside the descriptive part.
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by Willy FURTER » 26/01/16, 17:48

Good evening Remundo
To shake me is not serious, as it shakes my neurons.
I probably speak badly, I do not use the right code? Maybe I'm going ahead with blinkers, like old horses. But if I am told the code to use, I will be happy to use it.
It is better to die in the evening than in the morning, because we learn every day.
I am on a forum dealing with ecology and economics, it seems to me, so I wanted to emphasize that:
- The concreting of cities and countryside is not the solution to quickly build safe, healthy and cheap habitats;
- Coal, gas and oil are no longer used to heat the habitats;
- The coolness of the basement would advantageously replace the air conditioners that bloom on the facades of buildings;
- To put 25 years to pay a lodging which one will be forced to leave because the stairs will become inaccessible, is, for me, inadmissible. A few clicks are enough.
- make available to all, the CEO smicard, housing with the same qualities of safety, thermal insulation and comfort, must be the thread of each manufacturer.
These are the problems I wanted to answer.
For me, the patent is secondary:
What does the bottle matter, provided we have drunkenness?
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by Remundo » 26/01/16, 18:02

Good evening Willy

I did not try to shake you at all (others do it better than me! :P ), I am even rather curious to understand your concepts and develop this thread to highlight them.

You often hold long speeches that can be said to be technical-consensual about the habitat (do not see an attack, it's just what I feel when reading you).

The debate on "the patent" is as recurrent as it is secondary for this project within the framework of this forum.

Because when you want to get "into the hard"; see a precise plan, a house and measured energy results, photos of the pilot house already built, you no longer communicate.

So we remain on our hunger. And potential investors too, I guess.

Kind regards.
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by chatelot16 » 26/01/16, 18:37

Christophe wrote:
chatelot16 wrote:there are only the patents drafted by the CPI that are of value ... and I have noticed it: a majority of patent are written anyhow ... it was before internet .... now we can consult them on the net without moving


Very wrong! A well-informed individual may well file a valid patent ... exploitation is something else!

No car manufacturer goes through an IPC! After you tell me that they have internally of course ...

Except that: I could see the patent of Renault and PSA whose scheme was drawn with the feet, like drawing of a child of 7 years ... not very pro therefore : Cheesy:


it's all the art of a good patent! the quality of a good patent is not to inform the competitors ... the quality of a good patent is not the quality of the drawing

if a drawing maternal level enough has the legal validity useless to do more

doing more than what is necessary for the legal validity serves only to inform the competitor

the good patent is usually gibberish that the inventor finds wrong ... the mere inventor may explain much better and make a legally weak patent too easy to circumvent

of course, big companies do not need CPI! they have their own specialist in their staff ... when i was working at telemecanique (now bought by schneider) i was the inventor, the patent was written by the patent specialists ... it was very informative

I myself have a large number of patents to file and I wonder if I would not be better off hiring a specailist than paying a CPI
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by 1360 » 26/01/16, 18:56

Willy FURTER wrote:To shake me is not serious, as it shakes my neurons.


Whew, we went right there, right?

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by Willy FURTER » 26/01/16, 19:04

Ok Remundo
Too much talk night, too much scratching cooked.
From the first experience with the prototype house, manufactured in 3 months, with Patrick Bourdoncle from FIRMI 12300, I can not broadcast plans or photos because they do not belong to me. All I can say is that this 90 m2 has consumed 150 € electricity, for a year, feeding a reversible air conditioning, while I paid, at the same time, 1000 € heating gas, for the 85 m2, located about twenty km, that I lived with my wife, at a lower altitude. There's no picture.
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by Remundo » 26/01/16, 19:32

It would be better to speak in kWh.

I imagine that your 1000 € gas represents 10 000 kWh in order of magnitude.

As for 150 € electricity, 1500 kWh, and 4500 kWh heating / air conditioning assuming a COP 3.

So the reduction factor is in order of magnitude of 2.

It remains to refine all that ...
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