Turbulator ARGENTINO diesel

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by Woodcutter » 16/03/09, 14:05

Capt_Maloche wrote:Grumpy is, AH AH! Image by not care to know who is right, as long as the information is verified [...]
Do you also do your "elec"?

There is no "reason" or "no reason" ...

You give an info (turbo car 200 000 r / min) that I weighted from the discussion and example in progress (diesel truck engine), Is not it brilliantly simple?

To your question, I have no answer to give.
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Re: new test TURBULATOR ARGENTINO




by Flytox » 16/03/09, 23:25

Hello Woodcutter
Woodcutter wrote:This would require that the restriction is large enough to exceed the speed of sound at the turbine inlet (I think that's the limiting factor, I remember a comment in an article B.DUDOT ago ten years).


There is also what in aero language, we call "pumping":

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I think the systems used in competition, including the CAE Jean-Pierre Boudy, actually put the compressor depression, closing the air inlet.


There is a trick of style in a series engine caught on Video of the 2.0 Captain Renault dCi engine. (Small devices red shutters). Finally the example is oddly chosen because here it is the exhaust side which is provided with the famous components, but it also exists for the inlet side : Mrgreen:.

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Re: new test TURBULATOR ARGENTINO




by Woodcutter » 17/03/09, 12:03

Flytox wrote:[...]
There is also what in aero language, we call "pumping": [...]
Uh ...: Shock:
There is talk of a turbocharger, not a gas turbine!
If we follow your illustrated example, there is no chance that what is described (P3> P2) can happen, since there is no combustion here which can increase "P3"? I don't really understand the connection ... :?

Flytox wrote:[...]
I think the systems used in competition, including the CAE Jean-Pierre Boudy, actually put the compressor depression, closing the air inlet.


There is a trick of style in a series engine caught on Video of the 2.0 Captain Renault dCi engine. (Small devices red shutters). Finally the example is oddly chosen because here it is the exhaust side which is provided with the famous components, but it also exists for the inlet side : Mrgreen:
No, the example of the Renault DCI video is a "TGV" (variable geometry turbine). Nothing to do with the system of which I speak, which consisted in packing the turbo during the phases of "lifting the foot" so as not to have to accelerate the whole to the resumption of the throttle.

The TGV system (appeared in France on turbo Garett of 2.1 dT Renault in 90 years) directs the exhaust stream more or less the center of the turbine to improve its response, depending on engine speed and load.
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by Flytox » 17/03/09, 22:47

Hello Woodcutter
Woodcutter wrote:There is talk of a turbocharger, not a gas turbine!
If we follow your illustrated example, there is no chance that what is described (P3> P2) can happen, since there is no combustion here which can increase "P3"? I don't really understand the connection ... :?

Pumping phenomenon can exist on a compressor independently of a gas turbine, what the § Pumping compressor.

The link is that a compressor is designed for a certain application domain (flow, upstream / downstream pressure, temperature, speed etc ... when fate briefly in his field (Modified by a wild, brutal winnowing etc. ... : Mrgreen: ) Can be found pumping.

Woodcutter wrote:.... No, the example of the DCI Renault video is a "TGV" (variable geometry turbine). Nothing to do with the system of which I speak, which consisted in packing the turbo during the phases of "lifting the foot" so as not to have to accelerate the whole to the resumption of the throttle.


I found the "Aero" image that matches

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These pre-swirl vane obstructs the air inlet to the inlet of the first compressor stage to limit power of the compressor part of the consumption.

By cons I have not found the car image with the device (can not be so common outside the competition : Mrgreen: )
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by Woodcutter » 17/03/09, 23:08

Flytox wrote:[...]
Pumping phenomenon can exist on a compressor independently of a gas turbine, what the § Pumping compressor.

The link is that a compressor is designed for a certain application domain (flow, upstream / downstream pressure, temperature, speed etc ... when fate briefly in his field (Modified by a wild, brutal winnowing etc. ... : Mrgreen: ) Can be found pumping. [...]
And you think that small rodibruno fins may be enough to bring out the compressor in its field? I am quite surprised by that, because the shutter is really minimal ...
Flytox wrote:[...] For cons I have not found the car image with the device (can not be so common outside the competition : Mrgreen: )
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Yes, the CAE could have had a bit this form, I suppose?

Very difficult to get images. At the time, it was a very secret system ...

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by Flytox » 18/03/09, 21:15

Woodcutter wrote:And you think that small rodibruno fins may be enough to bring out the compressor in its field? I am quite surprised by that, because the shutter is really minimal ...

It's hard to say, but if it was a big mistake, he would have quickly realized the problem, such performance in free fall or very strange noise, vibration that I know, or worse bababoum! : Mrgreen:

The fins impart a rotational movement to the air column to the input of the turbo. As well just by reversing the direction of rotation of the sheet we will get something else (changing the angle of attack). When working by feel (we're not pros) before the test is assumed improvements after the test is evaluated if it works or if it breaks) : Mrgreen:

On aero turbines there can also be vibratory problems which are grafted on there, the compressor works normally but an "accessory" somewhere in the air stream has been modified (even "minimally") and within a certain range of 'use a resonance is created which vibrates a blade for example and the compressor breaks! : Evil:
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LAGUNA V6 Testing TURBULATOR ARGENTINO




by rodibruno » 19/03/09, 04:09

I install a TURBULATOR in LAGUNA V6 essence seems to work at first, but after being disconnected from the battery, it started to malfunction, smoke and seemed choked missing, which could be the cause of this failure ?
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Re: LAGUNA V6: TRIALS TURBULATOR ARGENTINO




by nikolaj » 08/11/17, 20:38

rodibruno wrote:I install a TURBULATOR in LAGUNA V6 essence seems to work at first, but after being disconnected from the battery, it started to malfunction, smoke and seemed choked missing, which could be the cause of this failure ?
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Hello, the reprogramming, by the control of your vehicle by the electronic suitcase could solve your problem, because a new element added to your engine seems to distort the meter-meter of the computer, the calculator can also be recalibrated itself, if its software is valid and flexible enough in parameters ... Having disconnected your battery, had to play, but with the re-connection of your battery, be careful to tighten the collars serflex on your tubes of air hoses .. .
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