New heavy-duty multi-fuel engine

Tips, advice and tips to lower your consumption, processes or inventions as unconventional engines: the Stirling engine, for example. Patents improving combustion: water injection plasma treatment, ionization of the fuel or oxidizer.
User avatar
Cuicui
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 3547
Registration: 26/04/05, 10:14
x 6




by Cuicui » 22/05/07, 17:47

zac wrote:hi diesel @ +

Thanks for the info, Zac. It was therefore designed more than 50 years ago a diesel that works indifferently to crude oil, gasoline, alcohol and oil. And today, our manufacturers say that it is difficult to run a diesel at the HVP ... Fuck our mouth.
0 x
User avatar
zac
Pantone engine Researcher
Pantone engine Researcher
posts: 1446
Registration: 06/05/05, 20:31
Location: piton st leu
x 2




by zac » 22/05/07, 17:56

Cuicui wrote: Don't care about our face.


Yes : Evil: : Evil: : Evil: : Evil: : Evil:

@+
0 x
Said the zebra, freeman (endangered breed)
This is not because I am con I try not to do smart things.
Colmant
I understand econologic
I understand econologic
posts: 101
Registration: 05/09/06, 10:40
Location: vaucluse




by Colmant » 22/05/07, 21:18

and that's why Mr. P. Pantone put his find on the net : Lol:
0 x
User avatar
Cuicui
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 3547
Registration: 26/04/05, 10:14
x 6




by Cuicui » 23/05/07, 21:11

Except that the Pantone was not intended to operate on a diesel engine. Paul Pantone had not thought that his invention could be used in the form of water doping. Apparently the multi-fuel berliet diesel works so well that the pantone doesn't seem necessary ...
0 x
User avatar
crispus
Éconologue good!
Éconologue good!
posts: 401
Registration: 08/09/06, 20:51
Location: Rennes
x 1




by crispus » 24/05/07, 12:59

Cuicui wrote:Apparently the multi-fuel berliet diesel works so well that the pantone doesn't seem necessary ...


It remains to be seen ... Obviously the magic engine sends part of the fuel directly into the cylinder, a priori via the swirling intake air.

Logically, should we find a carburetor or a low pressure injector in the intake?


The pages of M. David mention the possibility of supplying a diesel with 100% pantone, the injection left at "idle" just to replace the spark plug. Has anyone tested this config yet?

By adding a AVEC in the intake we get closer to the Magic system, the water vapor in addition ...
With the hope of exceeding the 30% savings obtained without water by Berliet : Cheesy:
0 x
User avatar
Cuicui
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 3547
Registration: 26/04/05, 10:14
x 6




by Cuicui » 25/05/07, 05:53

It remains to be seen why Berliet Magic technology is no longer used on today's diesel engines. However, it would be very useful for the use of biofuels, in particular for rustic vehicles like the Logan breack.
0 x
User avatar
zac
Pantone engine Researcher
Pantone engine Researcher
posts: 1446
Registration: 06/05/05, 20:31
Location: piton st leu
x 2




by zac » 25/05/07, 19:48

Crispus wrote:Mr. David's pages [/ url] mention the possibility of supplying a diesel with 100% pantone, the injection left at "idle" just to replace the spark plug. Has anyone tested this config yet?


Hello

even in water doping it works, under certain conditions.

When my pantone is "hot" (10km) except for extra power to climb a "hard" rating or overtake quickly that's how I work. flat with 500kg of load at 110km / h in the c25 the accelerator is inserted from 5 to 10mm.

on the clio, I barely accelerate and on the flat I am on the injection cutoff (148) in 2 at 3 km. last full 28 liter of mac daube oil for 598km.

the problem is that it is not suitable for short trips; that's why I abandoned the "full pantone" on cars.

@+
0 x
Said the zebra, freeman (endangered breed)

This is not because I am con I try not to do smart things.
User avatar
Flytox
Moderator
Moderator
posts: 14138
Registration: 13/02/07, 22:38
Location: Bayonne
x 839




by Flytox » 25/05/07, 20:48

Hello Cuicui

Cuicui wrote:It remains to be seen why Berliet Magic technology is no longer used on today's diesel engines. However, it would be very useful for the use of biofuels, in particular for rustic vehicles like the Logan breack.


When I was under the flags, I spoke with a military mechanic who told me that these engines (multi-fuel) were very useful to consume the fuel available at the time but that they had a thirst of the most dissuasive.

He did not specify with what fuel elsewhere.

It was for him, "A bullshit which the military have the secret but which nobody would want outside".

That does not say what is the specific consumption of this engine, with such or fuel, I have not found.

Certain conventional and exotic fuels tend to deposit / scale / coke on the (too) hot points of the engine (piston valves, etc.). Hence some malfunctions.

The idea of ​​coupling a Pantome system which tends to clean the high engine is an elegant way to breathe new life into the concept of spraying fuel on the piston cap.

Econologically yours
0 x
Reason is the madness of the strongest. The reason for the less strong it is madness.
[Eugène Ionesco]
http://www.editions-harmattan.fr/index. ... te&no=4132
User avatar
zac
Pantone engine Researcher
Pantone engine Researcher
posts: 1446
Registration: 06/05/05, 20:31
Location: piton st leu
x 2




by zac » 25/05/07, 21:13

Flytox wrote:When I was under the flags, I spoke with a military mechanic who told me that these engines (multi-fuel) were very useful to consume the fuel available at the time but that they had a thirst of the most dissuasive.


on average 400gr / h / cv : Evil: : Evil: : Evil:

@+
0 x
Said the zebra, freeman (endangered breed)

This is not because I am con I try not to do smart things.
Colmant
I understand econologic
I understand econologic
posts: 101
Registration: 05/09/06, 10:40
Location: vaucluse




by Colmant » 25/05/07, 22:01

My father said that a diesel consumes 80gr / h / cv
is it correct?
400 is x 5 thank you the economy
0 x

 


  • Similar topics
    Replies
    views
    Last message

Back to "Special motors, patents, fuel consumption reduction"

Who is online ?

Users browsing this forum : No registered users and 208 guests