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by Macro » 03/02/11, 16:00

Alain G wrote:Macro

You are talking about peak hours, if recharging is done when there is electricity available such as at night, there is no problem!



No ... During the whole winter we are forced to import German electricity ... Last winter we were treated to a mega almost European cut of a few hours so production is tense in Europe ...

The networks are not provided for that ... At night with me with all the people who heat cumulus and turn washing machine and dryer at my house the voltage available on the meter goes from 235v to 225 during the first hours hollow ...

For solar power ... You should be able to drive at night and charge it during the day ... It's a way of seeing ... Me, I work during the day ...
But hey it would allow me to use it every other day..it's already there ... Private wind power ... apart from the inhabitants of the coast and some other privileged sites in France ... Not profitable. ..

Still, the financial cost (only from an energy point of view) of MY trips would be multiplied by 5 with an electric car today ... while sacrificing my comfort .. (go from a minivan to a microcar)
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by moimart1 » 03/02/11, 16:06

Alain G, I agree with you for an intelligent charging system and it is true that power stations sometimes produce in "vacuum".
But living in Meuse, I am not a friend with nuclear power (BURE ...).

In addition I understand the people weaving in front of the electric when we see the purchase price of cars ...

Then it should not be said that the lack of electricity in France (if it is true, because to my last knowledge EDF had to build a high voltage line between France and Morocco ...) is a reason for not adopt the electric because for the moment it is the only viable solution to replace oil ...
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by Alain G » 03/02/11, 16:13

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Well while putting in, oil-fired power stations for peak hours would still reduce transport to service stations in addition to polluting less because better control of pollution and rejection is easily conceivable!

Anyway you always find counter arguments in your favor to pollute with your oil! 8)

PS: your supply problem is certainly not generalized in all France and the crash was due to a climate not very common in Europe, not too regular as far as I know!
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by Macro » 03/02/11, 16:24

Alain G wrote:
Anyway you always find counter arguments in your favor to pollute with your oil! 8)



I am open to electrical technology ... On the other hand, I remain someone who is lucid ... This technology will be quite restrictive for me ... and probably very costly ... Hence my questions and my concerns before I launch out ...

Even more worrying ... The more we try to get closer to electric traction in France the more we realize that we are entering a very closed environment with people with sectarian limit behavior ... It cools the clampin means ...

Pollute with my oil ... Let's say rather that I depollute the sewers the ditches and that I value in a noble way a waste which was very often simply dumped in the trash towards the landfill .... from there. .I'm rather a depoleur Alain ..

Alain..You two little bitches have a much higher carbon footprint than my car in the fryer .... Shame on you ... : Mrgreen:
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by Alain G » 03/02/11, 16:33

moimart1 wrote:Alain G, I agree with you for an intelligent charging system and it is true that power stations sometimes produce in "vacuum".
But living in Meuse, I am not a friend with nuclear power (BURE ...).

In addition I understand the people weaving in front of the electric when we see the purchase price of cars ...

Then it should not be said that the lack of electricity in France (if it is true, because to my last knowledge EDF had to build a high voltage line between France and Morocco ...) is a reason for not adopt the electric because for the moment it is the only viable solution to replace oil ...


We in Quebec have hydro-electric electricity in abundance and only a nuclear power plant which was built not to be too behind with this technology but we invest massively in wind power anyway, a lack of vision of the authorities French would not be the real reason for your problems in power supply!

For the price of the electric car I agree 100% with you, I find it hard to understand the fact that bisouneux modifies petroleum cars into electric cars with on-board generator for autonomy for only 7000 euros and our damn car manufacturers with all the means they have do not succeed at a reasonable price!
: Evil:

The problem in my opinion comes from the fact that they want to create everything from A to Z by themselves while all the components are available on the market and already very efficient!

Of course there remains the problem of reliability of electric cars which is far superior to thermal, sales would decrease and renewal would stretch over more years, which they especially do not want, moreover the debate on reliability batteries are no longer relevant because we now know how to make them reliable.

The proof is seen on the Prius which is profitable at a reasonable price!

It just lacks the will to get started, fortunately giants like GM are back to work, which will push others to outdo themselves for the good of all!
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by Alain G » 03/02/11, 16:47

Macro wrote:
Alain G wrote:
Anyway you always find counter arguments in your favor to pollute with your oil! 8)



I am open to electrical technology ... On the other hand, I remain someone who is lucid ... This technology will be quite restrictive for me ... and probably very costly ... Hence my questions and my concerns before I launch out ...

Even more worrying ... The more we try to get closer to electric traction in France the more we realize that we are entering a very closed environment with people with sectarian limit behavior ... It cools the clampin means ...

Pollute with my oil ... Let's say rather that I depollute the sewers the ditches and that I value in a noble way a waste which was very often simply dumped in the trash towards the landfill .... from there. .I'm rather a depoleur Alain ..

Alain..You two little bitches have a much higher carbon footprint than my car in the fryer .... Shame on you ... : Mrgreen:


Well here there are a lot of people you say sectarian who modify a lot of thermal cars into electric and which work very well despite the climate much colder than at home!

I am in the electric traction since 1979 on the equipments of electric handling and there are moons that we know how to make the electric at good price, the problem comes from the manufacturers who try to amortize the electric over a time too short, there's no picture on it and you have to be malicious so as not to notice!

For frying oil, here we have been recycling it for a long time and your arguments do not hold water!

My bitches I love them and you take what you read on the internet too seriously, I suggest you put the pedal soft!

You'd better stop eating beef as soon as possible because you're going to pollute a lot! : Evil:
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by Macro » 03/02/11, 17:04

Alain ... In terms of electricity production ... We can't see things the same way ..

We are (excluding illegal immigrants) 66million in France on a territory of 675 km² (density 000 inhabitants / km²) with 90% in water surface


You live with your 8 million congeners, in a territory of 1 km² with a water surface of 660%

It is sure that hydroelectric production in your home could not be easier to do ...

With us, production is 83% of fossil origin ...

For your dogs I was kidding ... for frying oils ... Even if there is an obligation to recycle with us ... the density of population means that it sinks in the ditch as well as a lot of other fatty materials ...
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by Alain G » 03/02/11, 17:41

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We still invest massively in wind energy!

It is certain that we can play on the water level of dams to accumulate reserves made by wind turbines but precisely, the arrival of electric cars would still manage these surpluses of wind turbines which becomes a problem for you by injecting them in these quantity of reserve batteries!

Different tariffs depending on the network load would make up for the network failure!

In the electronic age everything is possible and it's not very complicated to achieve!

For the ti pitous, I suspected that you were joking! : Cheesy:
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by Macro » 03/02/11, 20:28

Erratum..With electricity we have 90.2% of the fossil
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by I Citro » 03/02/11, 21:42

moimart1 wrote:mostly nuclear electricity ...
It is a strong political choice, but it is not sustainable ...
moimart1 wrote:So is the electric car for everyone the future?
I can clearly tell you that the oil (and even biofuel) car is not the future. If you haven't understood it yet, it will come when the liter is 3 € ...
The problem with oil is waste. All these engines that consume for nothing at a red light, downhill ... To cope with increasingly restrictive antipollution standards, the manufacturers will all electrify their vehicles. They will do it as slowly as possible (and under normative constraint), but they will. It begins with microhybridization (stop & start), then with increasing hybridization (gradual increase in the capacity of buffer batteries) to arrive at electric vehicles with extended thermal autonomy (plug-in hybrids).
I realized that we will travel my wife and I, 30.000 km per year which require less than 75 km of autonomy and that we will easily travel 100 km in a day with a short intermediate load (during the meal, for example). Our LPG sedan, insured for 8000km per year, should see its mileage further decrease with the arrival of more versatile electric vehicles soon ... We even plan to do without a thermal vehicle and rent it if the need arises. ..
moimart1 wrote:Personally I do not think, especially the current electric cars, but debating the above is useless.
On the contrary, the debate makes things happen. : Arrowl:
What do you mean by "current electric car":?:
moimart1 wrote:What makes things happen is the people who take action and who for example take "the lead" by recharging their car with a renewable energy source
I know some. : Arrowu: A friend of the electric motorist owns a mill on a very small stream ... : Idea:
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