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by hic » 21/11/15, 12:40

citro wrote:The finer the filter media, the faster it will clog. :?
I live on the edge of a 2x2 lane.
Your major problem comes from there ...

Hi citro

The larger the filter entry area, the slower it will clog

because the capping will be done on the whole surface

(opposite the multi-layer and reduced surface,
the capping is done in the first layers)

and that it will take months of energy to cross it.

A 1m² single-layer filter is more economical
than a filter in 100 layers of 10cm dia for 1m² of total surface.



I forgot the pre filtering before a fine filter!
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by chatelot16 » 21/11/15, 14:21

a roll paper filter is needed, with the paper which unrolls automatically when it becomes clogged
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by simplino » 22/11/15, 18:58

Thank you for this info .
Your photos clearly show everything that we put in our lungs while driving with our cars or living in the city and which slowly kills us much more than terrorists.
In my case I also use the simple solution of recycling filters by washing them with water with detergents and strong water circulation in the opposite direction. For paper filters, a strong flow of air in the opposite direction removes much of what is clogging, and you can even wash with solvents which do not damage the paper at the same time.
Even partial, regeneration lengthens the life of filters that are significantly less clogged.
Finally why not use, as for vacuum cleaners, the centrifugal force which eliminates the biggest before the fine filters by mounting a piece of recycled centrifugal vacuum cleaner?
Ozone from electrostatic filters can be broken down and neutralized.
Finally to avoid excess dust, it is good to set the air circulation speed as low as possible automatically according to the needs, only humidity if too high and not at excessive arbitrary speed as often.

Finally "roll paper filter" or ordinary PQ paper filters well in several layers but very quickly clogs completely on vacuum cleaners for fine dust to the point of overheating the engine, if you do not change quickly !!
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by yves35 » 22/11/15, 23:18

Good evening,

and why not double the life of the filters by cutting the ventilation 2 months a year?
not to mention the current economy ......

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by I Citro » 22/11/15, 23:34

Your remarks are quite staggering ...

A double-flow CMV mounts on a waterproof house ...
Cutting it 6 months a year is inconceivable, as is reassembling user filters ...
You might as well not have a CMV and come home humid with the moldy laundry in the cupboards ...
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by yves35 » 23/11/15, 01:54

Hello,

is it really inconceivable to ventilate a house by opening the windows a few times a day (or even all day in summer)? I do not recommend to snap vmc cut, but to renew the air manually during the period or we do not heat.
Here in Rennes it is 6 months counting large. In Bordeaux I doubt that the weather is worse

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by I Citro » 23/11/15, 13:13

I have problems with humidity (moldy laundry in the cupboards), feeling cold ... Winter and summer.

The permeability of my windows was estimated by a professional at 25m3 / h and the rooms were humid even when ventilated every day.

The VMC DF completely eliminated humidity and linen problems while improving the thermal comfort of rooms in the north.

Turning off the CMV in the summer would only return to the original situation.
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by simplino » 23/11/15, 14:27

citro wrote:I have problems with humidity (moldy laundry in the cupboards), feeling cold ... Winter and summer.

The permeability of my windows was estimated by a professional at 25m3 / h and the rooms were humid even when ventilated every day.

The VMC DF completely eliminated humidity and linen problems while improving the thermal comfort of rooms in the north.

Turning off the CMV in the summer would only return to the original situation.

Hello,
the permeability or rather air flow by leaks, is a function of the depressions, winds, and the flow of CMV posed with effects very function of the humidity outside and inside and temperatures and it can be greatly reduced by reducing the flow rates especially if outside it is hotter than inside, in summer or in garages, as in Bordeaux humid hot easily, because then all the humid air that enters condenses its humidity inside colder in huge quantities (real pool) and a VMC double flux regulates this humidity !!
I once observed this in a neighbor with too strong VMC with huge condensation and who accused me of having a water leak at my house above, in his shutter box which condensed all the incoming air, and it is difficult to convince the condominium of this error to avoid unnecessary work !!

On an old house, without VMC, and old windows, I did not have this wet problem, no molds for years in the cupboards, because weak flow and it could be that the cause is internal, walls sponges with humidity which goes back up without realizing it and the high-speed VMC only evacuates this intrinsic humidity to be removed !!
I had this type of problem in a high humidity apartment and the cause was the top neighbor's bathtub with slightly leaky joint (less than a liter per day leaving no trace but humidifying our apartment), and it took years to understand, with all the baths leaking in the building !!
A simple leak in a hidden pipe is enough.
It is easy to be mistaken about the real causes, especially with pro canvassers, especially gossip, who are paid to sell a very expensive max !!!

It is absolutely necessary to adapt the VMC flow to the minimum needs, and if this flow is greater than that corresponding to the respiration and uses of the inhabitants, it is necessary to seek and remove the causes such as wet walls and floors, very often the case in old houses .
Filters cleaned properly have no reason not to be effective enough, especially if you find their prices excessive and it is certainly more effective than not changing the filters often enough for lack of money or inattention !!.
The pressure drop pressure measurement gives an idea of ​​the operation.
A layer of paper or other filter in front of the filter stops a good part of the particles and lengthens the life of the original filter.
This need to change filters often will not be met by most residents of BBC homes, for lack of care or money !!
Too many complex standards or obligations have the opposite effect from that desired!
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by chatelot16 » 23/11/15, 20:34

the vmc only reduces humidity when it is cold outside and hot inside ... no difference in temperature the vmc is useless for humidity! whether it is single or double flow does not change anything

in summer humidity management is done rather by opening the windows wide when it is necessary ... the best is sometimes open in large day and night ... except mosquito problem which can encourage to close the windows at bad hours ... and this is where the mechanical ventilation becomes useful, being able to ventilate when necessary without bringing in mosquitoes

double flow ventilation, to save heating energy, not applicable in summer

if the double flow exchanger with its pressure drop requires more ventilation power, it should be bypassed in summer
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by simplino » 24/11/15, 13:03

Hello,
Completely agree, in addition, humidity is vicious, easy to make a mistake between leakage, wet rise, condensation, etc ... !!

My syndic did not understand that the powerful VMC does not always protect from humidity, in a summer secondary apartment by the sea, which in winter after a severe cold snap, became much colder than outside with brutal warming with rain, fills with moisture by condensation, especially in the gaping shutter box (which has rotted) so that I was accused of wrongly fleeing my home above, by voting unnecessary work !!

Luckily, before the works, during torrential rains, but the apartment was warmer than outside luckily, they were unable to find the slightest leak, which caused the sums paid in advance to be returned !!!!
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