All specification sheets of the various French petroleum products.
http://www.cpdp.org/qualit%C3%A9-sp%C3% ... it%C3%A9-0
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The distributors set a price per kg for hydrogen at 700 bars.
For ENEOS, the kg is at 6,82 €. This is approximately the price also proposed by Air Liquide.
In the case of the Miraï Toyota, the full is therefore 29,33 € TTC, offering a range of 650 km. Let 4,51 € for 100 km. It's pretty competitive!
source: http://www.noe.jx-group.co.jp/english/
For ENEOS, the kg is at 6,82 €. This is approximately the price also proposed by Air Liquide.
In the case of the Miraï Toyota, the full is therefore 29,33 € TTC, offering a range of 650 km. Let 4,51 € for 100 km. It's pretty competitive!
source: http://www.noe.jx-group.co.jp/english/
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LaChanson7 wrote:You are very nice to try the links in mp, thank you
At the moment, I only have Japanese links. They echo the announcement made the day before yesterday by ENEOS: "ミ ラ イ 満 タ ン 4300 円… 水 素 1 キ ロ 千 円 で" => Mirai, filling up with hydrogen at ¥ 4300 with hydrogen at ¥ 1000 per kilo.
ミ ラ イ = Mi ra i (in 3 katakana) Toyota's Miraï
満 タ ン = man tan (fueling a car)
水 素 = sui so (hydrogen) is pronounced "Swiss" but it has absolutely nothing to do with the Swiss .
1 キ ロ = 1 kilogram
千 円 = sen in (thousand yen) the Japanese say "in" and not "yen". And "man" for ¥ 10000.
Here are links, but in Japanese. They resume the announcement of ENEOS the day before yesterday:
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/economy/201412 ... 50148.html
http://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXLASDZ2 ... 4A2TJ2000/
http://carview.yahoo.co.jp/news/market/ ... 6-carview/
http://www.itmedia.co.jp/smartjapan/art ... ws051.html
http://blog.livedoor.jp/dqnplus/archives/1822843.html
http://news.mynavi.jp/news/2014/12/26/150/
http://new24.blog.jp/archives/1016408786.html
The link (http://search.noe.jx-group.co.jp/bizasp ... n=&x=0&y=0) (to copy and paste) to download the report-2014-en.pdf file (JX2014.indd 100 pages in English). The ENEOS H2 service station network is on the 12 page.
IWATANI, competitor of ENEOS and supplier of Honda, had announced the hydrogen kg at 1100 ¥ last week.
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Five Toyota Mirai taxis, so electric to PAC Hydrogen, are now in service in Kitakyushu (South of Japan):
source: http://www.47news.jp/CN/201503/CN2015032501001491.html
source: http://www.47news.jp/CN/201503/CN2015032501001491.html
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YouTube video of a ride in Toyota Mirai in Yokohama:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji0X_buSKwM
At 2: 24, we stop at ENEOS (Japanese distributor) to put 0,53 kg of H2 for 615 yens TTC is 4,5 €.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji0X_buSKwM
At 2: 24, we stop at ENEOS (Japanese distributor) to put 0,53 kg of H2 for 615 yens TTC is 4,5 €.
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Knowing that Toyota evokes a consumption of 1kg from H2 to 100km, it gives:
7.93 / 1.5 is about the budget equivalent of a vehicle on
who would consume 5.3 liters at 100km of petrol at 1.50 € the liter ...
I add that a kg of H2 containing 33kWh energy, 7.93 € kg, this is 7.93 / 33 = 0.24 € / kWh is twice the price of the electric kWh (or oil) billed in France ...
The TESLA S has nice days in front of it because it consumes only 20kWh / 100km and each kWh is half cheaper, in the end less than 3 € / 100km ...
7.93 / 1.5 is about the budget equivalent of a vehicle on
who would consume 5.3 liters at 100km of petrol at 1.50 € the liter ...
I add that a kg of H2 containing 33kWh energy, 7.93 € kg, this is 7.93 / 33 = 0.24 € / kWh is twice the price of the electric kWh (or oil) billed in France ...
The TESLA S has nice days in front of it because it consumes only 20kWh / 100km and each kWh is half cheaper, in the end less than 3 € / 100km ...
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citro wrote:Knowing that Toyota evokes a consumption of 1kg from H2 to 100km, it gives:
7.93 / 1.5 is about the budget equivalent of a vehicle on
who would consume 5.3 liters at 100km of petrol at 1.50 € the liter ...
I add that a kg of H2 containing 33kWh energy, 7.93 € kg, this is 7.93 / 33 = 0.24 € / kWh is twice the price of the electric kWh (or oil) billed in France ...
The TESLA S has nice days in front of it because it consumes only 20kWh / 100km and each kWh is half cheaper, in the end less than 3 € / 100km ...
hello back on this forum after a big stop, very surprised by the "evolution", I no longer recognize and can not even find the place to write or the resumption of the dsl message, the worst is that the site is infested with advertising, well, and many blabla ..... at the experimentation level, where is the production of H? efficient system? what's new I could not read all the chatting pages ......... and I hope that it progresses in the projects good evening to all
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