Request for information: 12kW electric motor on battery

[Blackberry]

http://cgi.ebay.fr/GROUPE-ELECTROGENE-D ... 0389742065

I found this as a genset tell me what you think.
for the transformation of the current, can we find the material directly for sale or should it be made even? thank you

[I Citro]

http://cgi.ebay.fr/GROUPE-ELECTROGENE-DIESEL-12-KW-LOMBARDINI-LEROY-SOMER-/150389742065
I found this as a genset tell me what you think.
for the transformation of the current, can we find the material directly for sale or should it be made even? thank you

The company SUN STEP INDUSTRY is quite present on the net and on e-bay in particular.
The product seems to be suitable but the weight is, in my opinion, excessive.
There is inconsistency between the announced power of 12kW (it must be that of the motor) and the actual electrical power supplied (40A in 400V = 8kW).
This could give, in theory about 57A in 140V is sufficient power for our AX / Saxo or 106 electric.

I also think that driving in this way by feeding the group to the red exposes you to severe problems with the constabulary (obvious desire to defraud). If you use oil, it's a little bit different, but I'm not an expert on the subject.

[Alain G]

Hi Lamure and Citro!

This generator is good but .... it should be delivered with a Leroy somer generator of this model: LSA 37.2 L8 Type S2 4 single-phase poles 230-115 volts / 240-120 volts.

http://alternators.leroy-somer.com/Part ... ono-en.php

[Louis4sun]

Hello
We (Parawatt) have an outrunner brushless motor of 15-18 kW
We use it at 10-12 kW on electric paramotor
The trouble is that the controller is "sensorless"

For a land vehicle with transmission to the wheels, it is desirable
to have hall effect sensors for a correct start.
Kelly makes "sensored" controllers.
It would be enough to equip our engine 3 sensors and adjust the relative phase shifts then try.
But ... it requires a little experimentation
Louis

[Alain G]

Hello
We (Parawatt) have an outrunner brushless motor of 15-18 kW
We use it at 10-12 kW on electric paramotor
The trouble is that the controller is "sensorless"

For a land vehicle with transmission to the wheels, it is desirable
to have hall effect sensors for a correct start.
Kelly makes "sensored" controllers.
It would be enough to equip our engine 3 sensors and adjust the relative phase shifts then try.
But ... it requires a little experimentation
Louis

Thank you Louis but it's not really what we are looking for!

We already have the engines and controllers, we rather seek autonomy beyond the batteries!

[Blackberry]

so if I understood correctly instead of feeding my electric motor by batteries I could directly feed them by a generator generator leroy sommer lsa 372.l8 type s2 4 single-phase poles 230-115 volts / 240-120 volts.
does it need a device between this generator and the engine to convert the current or is the current present equipment in my electric car will do the job? Thank you for your answer

[dedeleco]

It gives AC three-phase AC and so it must be straightened by a bridge of three-phase power diodes and some capacitors if not surprised !!!!!
I repeat myself even to ramble:

In addition saw the unknowns in the adaptation to batteries (requires good practical technical knowledge) and the risk of destruction during the test of power, fire and electrocution, and therefore of loss of money

[I Citro]

so if I understood correctly instead of feeding my electric motor by batteries I could directly feed them by a generator generator leroy sommer lsa 372.l8 type s2 4 single-phase poles 230-115 volts / 240-120 volts.
does it need a device between this generator and the engine to convert the current or is the current present equipment in my electric car will do the job?

Why spend a fortune in a generator delivering AC when you want to use CONTINUOUS current.

If you generate direct current in 120 / 140V, you will be able to connect the generator in parallel of the batteries, the original controller of the electric car will be in charge of dosing the energy to advance the vehicle.

Since the beginning of your project, I draw your attention to the fact that you are trying to reinvent the hybrid car.
Your technical choices, besides the very dubious aspect of their financial profitability, even in the very long term, will, from my point of view, lead you into a dead end by combining the disadvantages of the worst technical choices.

Lead batteries
Excessively heavy oversized generator set

In the end, you will have:

Degraded performance by overweight
Fuel consumption higher than the diesel model, which is nevertheless much higher in performance
Habitability sacrificed
Hypothetical reliability

[Forhorse]

Forhorse tell me where you saw a law that says running an oil genset is forbidden ????

I did not say that feeding a group with fuel oil (red is forbidden) everyone does it and there is no legal problem.
What is forbidden is to ride on public roads with.
Off as I said, the transmission is mechanical (classic car) semi hybrid full hybrid (electric transmission as you want to do) it makes no difference. The basic energy that drives the vehicle forward is always the red fuel oil.
If you get stopped and checked by the customs, you will always be able to expose your point of view in court, but I am sure 99.9% that you will not be right.

[dedeleco]

confirmation:

you should know that the fuel called "red", has, as its name suggests, a very tenacious dye indicating over several weeks the presence at any given time of illegal fuel ... In the same way, another agent "tracer "Mixed with fuel allows him to find traces in the engine ..." "According to Article 414 of the Customs Code, the use of red fuel (*) by a motorist driving diesel is considered a" diversion of privileged destination ". As such, violators are exposed to several sanctions: imprisonment (three years maximum), confiscation of the object of the fraud and a fine of between one and two times the object of the fraud. While the repressive arsenal is not always fully exploited by the customs services, it remains available. We use it case by case. It must be known that this misappropriation of heavily taxed goods is considered counterfeiting or smuggling! "
A departmental customs officer

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