A fuel-saving vortex turbulator: WITH

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Re: fuel saver turbulator: WITH




by nikolaj » 19/11/17, 13:46

Olivier22 wrote:
nikolaj wrote:
Olivier22 wrote:An air filter is rigid anyway, this argument does not stand up

Hello, the carcass of the air filter is often metallic, its perimeter is a perforated plate, or a stainless steel grid, but its internal honeycomb structure is in various fibers assembled, like cardboard weaves, but breathable, otherwise the air would never pass ... but it moves much more than you say ... every time the engine runs and sucks +/- air (hence the comparison with the lungs, or an accordion) ...
I never thought I would ever have to argue against such an absurd statement ... but ok:

1- An accordion structure can be deformed, its surface does not change.
2- In 90% of the cases, the air passes through the filter from the outside to the inside, so according to your reasoning it would tend to compress, not to inflate.
3- As you say, flexible filters (foam or cotton) are armed, and they are bilaterally. They are therefore held rigidly in the 2 sense. As for the paper filters, they are rigid by nature (on them the armature serves mainly to prevent them from crashing because of the support of the air box on the joints).

If that's not enough, I should be able to make a video this weekend ...

Hello to you, most air filters draw air on their periphery, then through the formed cells, the incoming air exerts a pressure on all surfaces +/- permeable to the air (tight weaves or + / - loose), and often have an internal metal grid which stops any excessive undesirable deformation, then the admitted air circulates in the connecting tubes towards the turbo and the admission chambers, which seems little or not perceptible to the At first glance, inevitably happens, as in the sails of the boat or the curtains of our houses .... which filters the air + / -... but ok if you make a video, pass also so in slow motion to compare...
"fluid mechanics" ...
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Re: fuel saver turbulator: WITH




by nikolaj » 20/11/17, 08:07

@ Olivier 22:
look at the effects of the power of air flowing in directional lanes:
http://www.maxisciences.com/exp%E9rienc ... 33745.html
compared to the air circulation in the air intake pipes, forced by AVEC or air cyclones ... the principles of fluid mechanics is a reality, weak or powerful projection of air .. ..
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Re: fuel saver turbulator: WITH




by Flytox » 20/11/17, 23:02

Typing in the cardboard produces a wave, that's for sure. For the "projection" of the air, if it is not synchronized with the engine times and for certain speeds (Kadenacy effect) it can also be counterproductive (energy dissipation). I'm not sure that the phenomenon shown with the cardboard and the operation of your "WITH" are on the same principle.
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Re: fuel saver turbulator: WITH




by nikolaj » 21/11/17, 18:21

Flytox wrote:Typing in the cardboard produces a wave, that's for sure. For the "projection" of the air, if it is not synchronized with the engine times and for certain speeds (Kadenacy effect) it can also be counterproductive (energy dissipation). I'm not sure that the phenomenon shown with the cardboard and the operation of your "WITH" are on the same principle.

Hello, it was just a comparison of the effects that fluid air produces (here in visual with smoke) but in rubber pipes ??? it necessarily follows the walls ... to the admission chambers ... at the speed and the pressure relative to the revolutions per minute and the volumes of air admitted ... : Arrow:
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Re: fuel saver turbulator: WITH




by Olivier22 » 21/11/17, 21:02

Interesting. But it has nothing to do with your turbulator!

Well I did not have the opportunity to start the car this weekend (some problems of fuel pump to adjust ...)
That said I could have made a video filter stopped, it would have been the same since there is nothing to see 8)

Otherwise I have a flowbench, it's a blower to measure the flow in the intake ducts. So far I have only used for cylinder heads, but I planned to do comparative tests on different kits of air filters (alone or mounted on the cylinder head + plenum)
It seems to be in the same corner, it would be an opportunity to test a turbulator and demonstrate by the facts that it does not bring anything : Cheesy:

It will just be a little patient because it is tidied behind a bunch of brothel while waiting for a local, hopefully it will be for the first quarter 2018
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Re: fuel saver turbulator: WITH




by nikolaj » 25/11/17, 17:33

hello to all here is my last achievement for a space 4 td 2l (2007) with a first cyclone air dual blades placed in the air intake pipe, after the air flow sensor, in two days of fuel control, the vehicle descended from 6.6 l to 6.5 l (average all routes) ...
this 2 x 6 air cyclone blades delta wings + height 85 mm blades 35 mm central ring 15 mm diameter 62 mm ... is also made to quickly blow air into the air filter ... etc ...
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Re: fuel saver turbulator: WITH




by nikolaj » 25/11/17, 17:34

following pictures ..
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Re: fuel saver turbulator: WITH




by balandar » 27/11/17, 00:16

Hello
I try this kind of product on an old non-turbo iveco it does not play much on consumption it brings a little more flexibility to the engine because it reacted like in small turbo in the admission no longer my vehicle I own 2 for sale if you interested more need for me
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Re: fuel saver turbulator: WITH




by nikolaj » 27/11/17, 17:09

balandar wrote:Hello
I try this kind of product on an old non-turbo iveco it does not play much on consumption it brings a little more flexibility to the engine because it reacted like in small turbo in the admission no longer my vehicle I own 2 for sale if you interested more need for me

what brand, what year, and what diameter, and how much?
cordially...
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Re: fuel saver turbulator: WITH




by nikolaj » 28/11/17, 04:50

balandar wrote:Hello
I try this kind of product on an old non-turbo iveco it does not play much on consumption it brings a little more flexibility to the engine because it reacted like in small turbo in the admission no longer my vehicle I own 2 for sale if you interested more need for me

hello to you, can you attach photos, face, profile and angle please? thank you ... and the measures just right? thank you @ + : Arrow: :D
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