A fuel-saving vortex turbulator: WITH

[nikolaj]

hello, ok as soon as the user has made his usual fuel consumption readings, before the installation of cyclones, and after ... for the same course, and for the same number of km exactly ... to follow ...

[nikolaj]

hello here are some photos, with methods of folding double-blade cyclones, which can be housed near bends, in the air intake hoses ... because we can slightly bend the blades end .. (without excess)
everyone can copy and make such cyclones ...

[CHBY]

Hello everyone !
I discover your forum (finally after much research on various topics found here short)
so I found a lot of reading but also questions (difficult to refocus all, summary)

So I start on the subject of vortices / turbulators

1 / principle rotate the intake airflow to make it more stable / efficient. principle of a ball being rotated for more precision, but I may stray from the subject. no question strictly speaking about the principle

2/

yes, this is the link to another topic that brought me here

WITH forgets that on a fast motor up in the towers

The interest and the gain (which many of you have been able to observe) do this at low and medium revs?
So very interesting about diesel engines ?! (sorry, I'm doing a little bit of my work with con questions)
And with turbo? turbocharger we forgot
Gasoline engine, goes higher in the towers, more pointed? less gain? (again desolate research and results do not emphasize enough in my opinion the difference between these carburations

3 / mounting location
Assembly upstream of the butterfly case

Downstream installation of the throttle body, inserted into the collector inlet

Someone already tested in collector input?
The images come from a "professional" who is not far from where I live and I strongly plan to visit him for more info

thank you for reading me and your lights

[nikolaj]

hello here is the project of my new CYCLONE AIR for a diameter of 60 mm +/- and 70 mm +/-
I authorize the copying of my non-profit models, and if professionals want to copy them, or to be inspired by them, and to make them, then ok, provided to contact me for the tests and results obtained ...

[nikolaj]

Hello everyone !
I discover your forum (finally after much research on various topics found here short)
so I found a lot of reading but also questions (difficult to refocus all, summary)
So I start on the subject of vortices / turbulators
1 / principle rotate the intake airflow to make it more stable / efficient. principle of a ball being rotated for more precision, but I may stray from the subject. no question strictly speaking about the principle
2/

yes, this is the link to another topic that brought me here
WITH forgets that on a fast motor up in the towers

The interest and the gain (which many of you have been able to observe) do this at low and medium revs?
So very interesting about diesel engines ?! (sorry, I'm doing a little bit of my work with con questions)
And with turbo? turbocharger we forgot
Gasoline engine, goes higher in the towers, more pointed? less gain? (again desolate research and results do not emphasize enough in my opinion the difference between these carburations
3 / mounting location
Assembly upstream of the butterfly case
Downstream installation of the throttle body, inserted into the collector inlet
vortex.png
vortex2.png
Someone already tested in collector input?
The images come from a "professional" who is not far from where I live and I strongly plan to visit him for more info
thank you for reading me and your lights

Hello and thank you for your courage and report with photos of cyclones air of great qualities, and fabrications very neat ... and molded on very precise templates ... I think you have to talk about Eric Martins ... it must be a great mechanic, I had contact with him by mail ... (south of France) I have not tested his fabrications (cost per cyclone variable, because the custom), but other models that I ' I created, for the air intake tubes, and very close to the turbo ... difficult to manufacture because conical closer to the turbo, I had to make a conical perimeter development ... because the steel stainless steel was very resistant, but not brittle ...
See
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2oZzVJZT6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AoPS46Kbm4

[CHBY]

Quite well it's him
And it's also thanks to these two videos that I got these coordinates
And ho surprise I live at - from 20 km

[wirbelwind262]

Hello
the vortex generator (swirl according to the motorists) works by boosting the stirring during the combustion
search for "swirl generation" on 3615gogol (see also "engineering techniques" on internal combustion engines)
laying in front of a compressor can cause, in some cases, the stall of said compressor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sKYOJgBG2Y
and he's going to literally pedal in semolina.
the influence on the speed range of the motor will be a function of the inclination of the blades of the generator, as well as their lengths,
knowing that long blades and very inclined will curb the passage of air at high speed, but improve low revs, it is a matter of compromise and testing.
the shape of the intake ducts can promote a direction of rotation of the swirl.
good night

[CHBY]

-So if an industrial leans on it would ideally be variable pitch blades or made of a material of which a portion of the blades would be flexible (a kind of plastic / silicone?) The inclination would be greater at the end of the blade
which is already the case on the metal models that I could observe on the net


-The swirl generation is a modification on the engine air inlets valves?


-for stalling, turn the air in the opposite direction to the compressor to allow it to better "mill" the air ?!
in the field I know; Aeronautics, centrifugal engines and compressors have few stall problems

I ask a little my ideas and questions jumble, a future meeting with this Mr Eric Martins should allow me to satisfy my curiosity on these different technical aspects
Its products seem well finished and a minimum studied, with several feedbacks

[wirbelwind262]

- for a plastic VSV, it's already been tried (by Dupont, if I remember, it dates a lot ...)
- the industrialists modify the intake ducts to produce a swirl directly thanks to the molding of the cylinder head
- "centrifugal compressors have few stall problems", of course, but you will modify its operation, improve or disturb its performance see http://isromac-isimet.univ-lille1.fr/up ... lpaper.pdf
Do you intend to try on which car and which engine?
if you want to make one, keep the shape of a delta half-wing with a very simple "board" profile (no curvature of the profile or variation of incidence)
@+

[Capt_Maloche]

Hi guys

To have tried the thing, one thing is sure, it is an additional loss of load on the admission of air, and it has no interest if it is installed before a turbo

So possibly reserved for atmo engines, its ideal location is just ... before the valves ...

the objective is to improve the Air Fuel mixture, the recent engines already apply the principle