Utopia process

Tips, advice and tips to lower your consumption, processes or inventions as unconventional engines: the Stirling engine, for example. Patents improving combustion: water injection plasma treatment, ionization of the fuel or oxidizer.
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by Christophe » 01/10/05, 20:35

Ben is beautiful ... in the courier "FRAMES" and more? LIVE THE DISINFORMATION !!!

He wants to sell for 200 000 € per month before breaking into a tax haven ... right?

The media supports this guy as they supported Gui Naigre so that the public is sure that only the tankers have viable energy solutions !!

LAMENTABLE !!
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by Blasil10 » 01/10/05, 21:37

: ph34r: ... that's why I put "without comment" :D ... I was waiting for the logical reaction
and very comprehensive! ;)
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by bel3pc » 03/10/05, 11:46

econology wrote:Ben is beautiful ... in the courier "FRAMES" and more? LIVE THE DISINFORMATION !!!

He wants to sell for 200 000 € per month before breaking into a tax haven ... right?

The media supports this guy as they supported Gui Naigre so that the public is sure that only the tankers have viable energy solutions !!

LAMENTABLE !!

Ashamed, lamentable ...

Now it is necessary to relativize the journalists are certainly not paid by the delineators of the humanity.

When I read: "We'll take the time" .... while we know that the days of oil are counted.

Christian PERET: blink:
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by DAN34 » 03/10/05, 18:36

The Hydrogen Generator: "H2O Utopia Technology" produces 200 liters of hydrogen per hour is not insufficient even if the energetic supply of hydrogen is important.

A 1 liter displacement engine running at 2000 RPM consumes 120000 liters of air, so the percentage of hydrogen is about 0,166% that seems really low!

What do you think ?
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by Sdc77 » 03/10/05, 19:34

I think that you must read better documents to download on its site, including "reforming fuels" ...
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by The Passing » 03/10/05, 20:04

DAN34 wrote:[...]

A 1 liter engine running at 2000 rpm on average consumes 120000 liters of air, so the percentage of hydrogen is around 0,166%, which seems really low to me!
[...]

Notice to the mechanics:

On a 4 engine 1 cylinders liter of total displacement 2 000tr / min, it has the admission on two pistons per turn, is it correct?

If so, it makes:
- (1 liter divided by 2 cylinders) liters of gas (air + fuel) admitted per turn is 0,5 liters / tr.
- at 2 000 rpm the motor will aspirate 2 000 * 0,5 = 1 000 liters / min (or 60 000 liters per hour).

Hydrogen can form an explosive mixture with air at a concentration of 4% to 80%.

Grossomodo, if we take the lowest value (lean mixture): 4%, that's 40 liters of hydrogen per minute at 2 000 rpm (or 2 400 liters per hour).

For 80% (rich mixture), it gives 800 liters of hydrogen per minute to 2 000 rpm (or 48 000 liters per hour).

What is the stochiometric ratio for hydrogen with air? Oxygen = 21% in the air. It takes twice as much hydrogen for complete combustion.

In 1 000 liters of air there is 210 liters of oxygen, so 420 liters of hydrogen per minute are required at 2 000 rpm (or 25 200 liters per hour). Concentration rate of hydrogen in the air: 42% at ambient pressure.

In short, it takes an electrolyzer with a sacred yield! The electrolyser that I made, and that works already not so bad produces only 138 liters per hour.

Can someone confirm all these numbers?
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by didier_8664 » 03/10/05, 20:58

I think your reasoning is realistic, but I can not answer in a relevant way.
I wanted to ask you if you could give me the plans or Internet links in order to realize in my turn an electrolyser debiting 138 liters per hour (mine does not work properly just 40 l / h I can not make a circuit "LC Resonant).

Thank you in advance
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by DAN34 » 03/10/05, 21:00

I'm not an electrician there, another thing that I do not understand if my reasoning is good?

The average power consumption taken from the battery is approximately 10 to 15 amp multiplies 12v is between 150 and 180 watts pulled on the alternator.

So the car consumes more to provide that power and in the end it makes fuel savings finding this H20 generator is largely superunitous!

It is not like the pantone system that saves money because you recover energy lost in heat to transform it!

If anyone knows how to do the calculations, I would like to understand?
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by The Passing » 03/10/05, 21:03

@didier_8664:

Personally. the "frequency" electrolyser I do not believe at all. A good old dc works wonders with a car battery of 12 volts;)

Here are some photos:

[*] http://mowed.free.fr/files/electrolyser.jpg
[*] http://mowed.free.fr/files/electrolyser1.jpg
[*] http://mowed.free.fr/files/electrolyser2.jpg

My plates are in stainless steel, kept spaced by small pieces of plastic cut in a "crystal" CDROM case.
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by Sdc77 » 03/10/05, 21:18

Hello Benoit (I still have not answered your mp, I apologize: unsure:)
You are wrong not to believe in frequency electrolysis, take a look here , there is all kind of MEYER-style electrolyser reproduction and Dave's is particularly impressive;)
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