chatelot16, do not block without reason ...
Yes, it was possible to change its engine once. I think of the flopped Peugeot 604 V6 that smart guys bought for a pittance and ironed mines with a 4 cylinder sober and reliable to afford a sedan sumptuous, reliable and consume reasonably.
Here we are in a subject of "possible" modifications.
Ideally, I would dream to ride all the powertrain of a Prius on my Evasion, but that's a dream ...
Switching to a smaller engine is of limited interest. Measurements of "normalized consumption" prove it with consumption figures little different between an average cubic capacity and a large cubic capacity because during the homologation tests of the big displacements they hardly use 50% of the power of the engines (against 80% of power for smaller displacement).
The argument that the wheel motor is too heavy is wrong and is often used by critics of electric traction. In the American assembly, the original drum is used to attach the magnets to the rotor and the windings are of "measured" mass. This is quite manageable with the current shocks in normal driving ...
For hill start, it is a strong point of the wheel motors ...
I recall that an electric motor delivers its maximum torque from the start.
Finally, this hybridization kit should not be considered as a bi-propulsion kit but a complement of Stop & Start system that it would complete by the installation of batteries of sufficient capacity to regenerate in deceleration. I imagined earlier a very simple double-stroke system to install on the brake pedal to activate the electrical regeneration before attacking (if necessary) the hydraulic braking which generates only losses.
In 100.000km with electricity, I used to stop braking ...
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I'm not blocking myself ... I'm even careful not to overblock ... there is epidemic about forum ...
the motor in the wheel is interresting for this hybridization
the electric motor is not necessarily perfect for its couple of demarage ... any depand dimensions
the electric locomotives are well able to pull the heavier trains with electric motor without gear box
but electric cars like yours do not have the right to pull a trailer, which means that the electric motor with a single transmission ratio is not enough
I think the ideal electric vehicle would do better to have at least 2 transmission ratio ... I always needed to put big trailer behind my car ... often much more than expected on the gray card ...
the motor in the wheel is interresting for this hybridization
the electric motor is not necessarily perfect for its couple of demarage ... any depand dimensions
the electric locomotives are well able to pull the heavier trains with electric motor without gear box
but electric cars like yours do not have the right to pull a trailer, which means that the electric motor with a single transmission ratio is not enough
I think the ideal electric vehicle would do better to have at least 2 transmission ratio ... I always needed to put big trailer behind my car ... often much more than expected on the gray card ...
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The electric motor that equips my 106 is very mediocre ...
I recently met one of the engineers who worked on it. He explained to me that Leroy Somer's management decided to use generator parts available "off the shelf" and roughly in the desired characteristics ...
Balance: a very limited power, an undersized motor (collector, brushes, coils) and a yield of just 80% for a considerable weight ...
To get enough torque, they operate in separate excitation.
Other electric cars of the 90 years are much more powerful (Clio equipped with motor of ultra-reliable lifts, Kangoo equipped with three-phase motors, Volta with which a friend pulled his motorhome which had the drums of wheels AR blocked !. ..).
I recently met one of the engineers who worked on it. He explained to me that Leroy Somer's management decided to use generator parts available "off the shelf" and roughly in the desired characteristics ...
Balance: a very limited power, an undersized motor (collector, brushes, coils) and a yield of just 80% for a considerable weight ...
To get enough torque, they operate in separate excitation.
Other electric cars of the 90 years are much more powerful (Clio equipped with motor of ultra-reliable lifts, Kangoo equipped with three-phase motors, Volta with which a friend pulled his motorhome which had the drums of wheels AR blocked !. ..).
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I came across this site that offers the plug-in to hybrid cars:
http://www.ev-store.com/
It's still a bit pricey but I love the principle.
Sample rate:
PHEV system 6kWh Prius 2: 10590 €
PHEV system 9kWh Prius 2: 14590 €
PHEV system 6kWh Prius 3: 11590 €
PHEV system 9kWh Prius 3: 15890 €
The rechargeable prius is at 37000 € http://www.lepoint.fr/auto-addict/essai ... 05_651.php
By way of comparison, the standard Toyota Prius is marketed at prices ranging from 27 800
http://www.ev-store.com/
It's still a bit pricey but I love the principle.
Sample rate:
PHEV system 6kWh Prius 2: 10590 €
PHEV system 9kWh Prius 2: 14590 €
PHEV system 6kWh Prius 3: 11590 €
PHEV system 9kWh Prius 3: 15890 €
The rechargeable prius is at 37000 € http://www.lepoint.fr/auto-addict/essai ... 05_651.php
By way of comparison, the standard Toyota Prius is marketed at prices ranging from 27 800
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If you drive all-electric with the rear-wheel motors, I wonder what becomes the assistance of the steering and brakes. Will it be necessary to let the engine idle to provide these assistance functions? You can find a car with non-assisted steering (BX for example), but what about braking? Energy recovery does not always produce sufficient braking in an emergency.
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Yes FakirCyrille has been working on EV for years, having converted a few cars to electricity, he is now professionalizing and now offers to convert single hybrids into PLUG IN Hybrids.
In the USA, the Prius autonomy extension kits have been in existence for several years, forcing TOYOTA to develop PLUG IN versions.
CuicuiI have already addressed the issue of braking assistance and electric steering assistance.
BRAKING: Simply connect the mastervac vacuum supply to a 12V vacuum pump as it exists on various models since the 90 years (looking in breakages), including electric vehicles or accessories tuning.
ASSISTED MANAGEMENT: Electro-hydraulic assistance pumps have appeared in series since the 90 years, mainly on small diesel cars (Clio, Saxo, 106 ...) whose cramped engine compartment did not allow the installation of a belt-driven pump. .
So simply replace the original pump driven by the engine with a 12V electro-pump.
My electrical 106 based on thermal versions are equipped with these components that were already part of standard or optional equipment at PSA.
PS: A BX without power steering is a tank with more than 4 thrust steering wheel thrusts. When I bought a used BX, I checked that she had the power steering option ...
I used Jumpy as a professional. This modest utility had such a light steering that getting into the BX after a day in Jumpy was a punishment so the power steering of the BX was firm compared to that of the Jumpy ...
In the USA, the Prius autonomy extension kits have been in existence for several years, forcing TOYOTA to develop PLUG IN versions.
CuicuiI have already addressed the issue of braking assistance and electric steering assistance.
BRAKING: Simply connect the mastervac vacuum supply to a 12V vacuum pump as it exists on various models since the 90 years (looking in breakages), including electric vehicles or accessories tuning.
ASSISTED MANAGEMENT: Electro-hydraulic assistance pumps have appeared in series since the 90 years, mainly on small diesel cars (Clio, Saxo, 106 ...) whose cramped engine compartment did not allow the installation of a belt-driven pump. .
So simply replace the original pump driven by the engine with a 12V electro-pump.
My electrical 106 based on thermal versions are equipped with these components that were already part of standard or optional equipment at PSA.
PS: A BX without power steering is a tank with more than 4 thrust steering wheel thrusts. When I bought a used BX, I checked that she had the power steering option ...
I used Jumpy as a professional. This modest utility had such a light steering that getting into the BX after a day in Jumpy was a punishment so the power steering of the BX was firm compared to that of the Jumpy ...
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it makes me laugh these stories of assisted management ... I have a GMC that can be done landing ... and behaves very well without direction assisted ... total weight 11tonnes
newer the C35 without steering assisted behaves very well too, do not talk about the gs which one can hold the wheel of 2 finger
so there is a problem with the current small cars that have too hard steering: since it is mac phearson or there is much more friction than double triangles
As luck would have it, the Citroan bx is too hard without the assisted steering. The first Citroen has a train before Mac Phearson ... a bit of the end of Citroen quality ...
it will be necessary to make cars more and more light: it is therefore time to get back to make the car easy to drive without assistance
for me to make small car steering too hard is the incompetance caracterized
newer the C35 without steering assisted behaves very well too, do not talk about the gs which one can hold the wheel of 2 finger
so there is a problem with the current small cars that have too hard steering: since it is mac phearson or there is much more friction than double triangles
As luck would have it, the Citroan bx is too hard without the assisted steering. The first Citroen has a train before Mac Phearson ... a bit of the end of Citroen quality ...
it will be necessary to make cars more and more light: it is therefore time to get back to make the car easy to drive without assistance
for me to make small car steering too hard is the incompetance caracterized
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There are several answers to these phenomena:chatelot16 wrote:it makes me laugh these stories of assisted management ...
so there is a problem with the current small cars that have too hard steering: since it is mac phearson or there is much more friction than double triangles
As luck would have it, the Citroan bx is too hard without the assisted steering. The first Citroen has a train before Mac Phearson ... a bit of the end of Citroen quality ...
it will be necessary to make cars more and more light: it is therefore time to get back to make the car easy to drive without assistance
for me to make small car steering too hard is the incompetance caracterized
1 / We get used to driving vehicles with lighter and lighter directions and less support the firm directions of the past.
2 / We are getting used to having more and more direct directions we have gone 20 4,5 steering wheel turns to 2,5 thrust steering wheel turns.
3 / Manufacturers have increased the hunt to increase the steering recall (return of the steering wheel in a straight line when released), which hardens the steering during robberies.
4 / The contact surface (and therefore the friction) on the tires' ground (their width as well as their diameter) has increased, which also hardens the steering effort.
5 / The weight of the vehicles has almost doubled these 25 last years.
6 / Indeed the Mac Pherson system viellit (bearing on the suspension head) which increases the effort (but not on the BX which is lacking because it is the cylinder rod that pivots on its shaft). I noticed this phenomenon on VISA, TIPO ...
On the Smart or the MIA electric, there is no power steering but the tires are narrow, the vehicle is light in front and its maximum speed is limited, which allows "old-fashioned" steering adjustments.
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Chatelot Hi!
The suspension McPherson is not more difficult to turn on the contrary it has a ball bearing head unlike a ball joint, and it is the top that supports all the weight!
It is rather the hydraulics that makes it more difficult when there is no assistance from the pump.
In addition the rack can be ball or no, of course more easy to ball.
The suspension McPherson is not more difficult to turn on the contrary it has a ball bearing head unlike a ball joint, and it is the top that supports all the weight!
It is rather the hydraulics that makes it more difficult when there is no assistance from the pump.
In addition the rack can be ball or no, of course more easy to ball.
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