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by I Citro » 10/01/14, 00:14

Gildas wrote:With this car ...:
http://www.moteurnature.com/actu/2014/F ... energi.php
In this C-MAX with a battery of 7,6 kWh, it is possible to fully charge the battery in one day. One can with that roll theoretically 34 km. It's good because it's free!
This is humorous. : Evil:
This article is written to deceive readers:
1 / We show a ridiculous surface of solar panels; 1,5m² is 300Wc maximum instantaneous power, which represents a yield of panels 200Wc / m² while the current panels produce at best 150Wc / m² ...
Is, at best, enough to travel 4km, every day :|

2 / Then we are told of a system of concentration 23m² (4,30m 5,30m x) under which to park the car (practice to take when going on holiday ...)

The principle of solar concentration is to capture the light over a large area and send it to a smaller area, mainly to reduce the investment of the solar panel which is much more expensive than the concentrator (here a Fresnel lens, quite often, it's a mirror).
What we forget to say is that solar concentration only works in the ideal conditions that we do not know in our developed countries ... The slightest cloud passes and the panel production goes to ZERO ...
Whereas with a "classic" panel, production will decrease proportionally, but will continue despite diffused lighting ...
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by I Citro » 10/01/14, 00:48

I take this comment for a joke ...
elephant wrote:Ah! The Tesla is superb, although I doubt that we can have ALL the performances at the same time and until the end of 8 years.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to exploit ALL the performances of a vehicle of this kind, whether it is an electric TESLA or a sports equivalent in thermal ...
Most of the current "good father" vehicles have between 100 and 150hp under the hood while 95% of the time we use less than 25hp and 50 to 60hp at peak ...
Let's be clear, the TESLA S is a showcase, the best advertising of a manufacturer and the one that does not cost him anything: Word of mouth.

When you buy a new thermal car, more than a third of the price of the car is used to reimburse the advertisement for you to sell ...
That's why I strive to consume only products and services on which there is the least advertising, they are cheaper and therefore better value for money.
elephant wrote:As for me, my car budget would be rather near the 10e of the Tesla price.

As for the battery replacement budget, it is still in the range of 7 hundred / km (my berlingo consumes about 9 hundred oil per km).
Do you believe that the target of TESLA is to compete with the Berlingo. :?: :P

And then, again, you confuse guarantee and service life...
The batteries of my 106 electric are no longer guaranteed but are still functional ... They have 13 years. : Mrgreen:
While autonomy has decreased, it still rolls daily. : Arrowl:

Finally, a significant part of the budget of an automobile is related to maintenance.
My last 2 steaming (a volvo 850 and saffron LPG), bought 2300 € and maintained by me (so for an unbeatable price) also cost me 9 hundred oil per km, but the full cost, resale deducted after 100.000km was respectively 15 and 18 hundred per km ...
On this point, the TESLA should be more economical than high-end sedans, German, Italian or English ... There will be no emptying, engine filters, belts, mufflers, candles,. .. To replace. 8)
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by Janic » 10/01/14, 07:51

Hello Citro
It is not a question of making all the consumers to this mode of consumption ... On the other hand it is a question of not staying without doing anything.

I did not say the contrary ! I am a utopian myself, but realistically so. I am known on this site to "promote" vegetarianism / veganism as LA one and only global food solution in terms of ecology, economy, ethics and yet I am without illusion about the impact that it has on readers of this site (and elsewhere) of "our" philosophy. (Did you even feel it and have you adopted this different path?) Despite this observation of semi failure related to culture, inertia, gastronomic habits and low dietary, "I" (ie to say a minority having made an awareness and acting in this direction) does not sit idly by. I do not believe so in Santa Claus.
Ditto for the electric everything that may seem like an ideal, but which is confronted with technical and human problems, even assuming that this is the best solution.
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It is not therefore to say that this is better or worse than that, they are two alternatives with each its advantages and disadvantages.

Let's be clear: we have to stop using vehicles to spread their waste (1m3 and 1kg of gas, vapors and particles every minute, not some ridiculous grams of CO2 as you are supposed to believe).

This is an opinion that I share completely! But again this is a typical urban problem, not national where non-urbanized areas are only slightly marked by thermal pollution and polluting discharges. It's a question of ratio!
That you make fun of it is understandable, but you breathe the junk of the vehicles that precede you ... I did not realize it myself before driving with the electricity ... It is unbearable ... Now Frequently I go to sleep when I am or cross a vehicle that is too polluting (because it smokes or stinks). Since I no longer take the ring road bottled daily, I no longer suffer drowsiness that fell on me every day during my only trips on the ring road ... amazing, no.

Again this is an opinion that I share completely. I lived, a long time ago now, in the suburbs of Paris and where, at each crossing, I held my breath to cross, until I realized that it was not the solution and why not stop breathe definitely. So I took my clicks and my clacs and I left this cloaca, failing to be able to change it and it was not limited to the only pollution of cars.
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That said, we should not consider this in a self-starter (we!) But look to find out if this alternative is reliable on a global level with so-called emerging countries that are the future major consumers of goods of all kinds and therefore thermal or electrical well heard.

Mail must stop thinking binary !!! There is no alternative! There is a mode of displacement that must be abandoned and replaced by a whole range of more appropriate and efficient modes of travel depending on the situation, as in the last century, before the automobile landed and competed not only with the horse, but walking, cycling and even the train.

Ah, here we are brought back to the utopia of a better idealized world.
Yet the problem is more dependent on the development of these countries with large populations in the making to be big consumers of energy, too, as we have been and still are today.
The car has become the archetype of unique thinking to move, while it represents, in France and globally, only a tiny part of travel.

Certainly, but this tiny part is constantly increasing in emerging countries and directly related to the increase in the standard of living (as for the food and the hack!)
To the point that the French are unable to believe this truth: There are more people who travel to electricity each day in France and around the world than people who move to oil ...

Here again it is also the result of a policy towards the nuclear all to justify this mode of production by multiplying the user systems of this electricity which was only a "waste" resulting from the French atomic policy.
- The Metro in Ile de France and the SNCF transports every day 10 million people (not counting the other cities of France who have trams, subways, troleybus or electric buses).
and at the same time, our president considers only the closing of a single old power station because the lobbies of the all electric are very powerful, as much as the lobbies of the oil of elsewhere!
- In the world there are one billion people who take a lift every day ...

And as many obese among the haves! lifts are not legions in Africa, India, South America and other places where individuals do not have the financial means to afford these luxuries .... of urban always.
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... an electrical substitution that may pose other problems such as the proliferation of nuclear or thermal plants whose danger is topical.

Another misconception.
The solution lies in the synchronized development of renewable energies, smart grids (SMART GRIDS) and the shared development of storage systems ...

Certainly, but in the meantime ...!? And it is not for tomorrow, nor after tomorrow either because otherwise it would be necessary to multiply by 10 or 100 the budgets which would be devoted to it. It is not only the type of energy that is concerned but the set of policies and thinking patterns of decision makers and users and it requires between 2 and 3 generations usually.
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by gildas » 10/01/14, 09:07

Thank you Citro for your analysis on the article of the Ford C-MAX Solar Energi.

In addition, I did not understand the principle of the solar panel, I did not think it was necessary to mount a gantry to increase its efficiency! : Oops:
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by I Citro » 10/01/14, 23:47

Gildas wrote:Thank you Citro for your analysis on the article of the Ford C-MAX Solar Energi.
In addition, I did not understand the principle of the solar panel, I did not think it was necessary to mount a gantry to increase its efficiency! : Oops:
I think that this kind of communication is intended for "investors" whom one wishes to attract in order to better extract money from them.
:?
It is much simpler and more economical to place the solar panels on the gantry or it will be easier to control the pointing of the concentration system, while the car will never park exactly in the same place ...

Finally, and above all, if the panels are integral with the gantry, and not with the vehicle, they can produce when the vehicle is absent, and supply the network, the house or charge batteries. The autonomy and charging time of an electric car are not problems and the solutions have been around for a century ... you just need to change the batteries as you change a gas cylinder ... So, when you come home at night at home, we exchange the battery discharged by the day of use by that charged in the sun. But this solution can be used by anyone while the "Solar Energi system" must be "patented" ...
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by I Citro » 11/01/14, 00:51

:?, Janic I will not be able to answer your point by point.
I started cracking down on this forum as a "utopian" me too, but I no longer consider myself as such, I went to practice (although doubting the result). If I got there, it is in large part thanks to this forum or I write a lot of nonsense that surprises me when I read sometimes. This is called evolving. I encourage you to persevere in your activism that is bearing fruit, even if your readers do not react and do not make known their opinion.
I am aware, and strive thanks to you and others to eat less meat and more vegetables starting from the logic that it is necessary to be effective to feed and do it healthily. But eating chickens from a family hen house fed with peelings and local products is better than buying organic vegetables from the other side of the globe ... So I can not follow you in the postulate of vegetarianism / veganism as being
LA one and only global food solution in terms of ecology, economy, ethics ...
For example, eating while eating insects is, technically speaking, just as virtuous. It is therefore an alternative solution to yours which then loses its status of UNIQUE solution ... ???
So we see that the cultural aspect is primordial, hence the importance of forums to debate and change mentalities.

we must stop using vehicles to move behind them (1m3 and 1kg gas, vapors and particles every minute, and not a few ridiculous grams of CO2 as you are led to believe).
This is an opinion that I share completely! But again this is a typical urban problem, not national where non-urbanized areas are only slightly marked by thermal pollution and polluting discharges. It's a question of ratio!
: Evil: You're kidding !!! We would have, according to you, the right to pollute the campaign because it is seen less !!! If I understand you, a tanker commander would have the right to degas on the high seas, far from the eyes, but not near the coast !!!

Have you heard about the continent of plastic??? (also called 6th or 7th continent)
And as many obese among the haves! lifts are not legions in Africa, India, South America and other places where individuals do not have the financial means to afford these luxuries .... of urban always.
Sorry but there are many more lifts in Africa and other countries than you mention in Europe, same for obese people in China, India, ...
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... an electrical substitution that may pose other problems such as the proliferation of nuclear or thermal plants whose danger is topical.
Another misconception.
The solution lies in the synchronized development of renewable energies, smart grids (SMART GRIDS) and the shared development of storage systems ...

Certainly, but in the meantime ...!? And it is not for tomorrow, nor after tomorrow either because otherwise it would be necessary to multiply by 10 or 100 the budgets which would be devoted to it. ... this requires between 2 and 3 generations usually.
This is FALSE, it develops at the same rate as the production of vehicles and it is feasible in less than a generation, much faster than to build inadequate nuclear power plants as I explained, but you do not seem not understand it. Certainly, the French are not a people able to evolve quickly ... Africans, Mexicans we adopted the mobile phone in less than a generation while we needed 2 ...
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by Janic » 11/01/14, 09:28

Citro hello
I am aware, and strive thanks to you and others to eat less meat and more vegetables starting from the logic that it is necessary to be effective to feed and do it healthily.

This subject not being devoted to the subject I answer you on ecology and vegetarianism
https://www.econologie.com/forums/ecologie-e ... 10750.html

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If I understand you, a tanker commander would have the right to degas on the high seas, far from the eyes, but not near the coast !!!

No, always this phenomenon of dilution. In the middle of the ocean, the impact will be lower than on the coast. Hundreds of boats were sunk during the war and the impact was reduced by dilution. Since radioactive waste was thrown into the sea and opened up, the radioactivity of the oceans was not, so to speak, affected. But these same futs thrown in one of the great rivers of this country would have generated catastrophes. See Chernobyl where nature is gradually taking back its rights with the radioactive dilution.
Does this mean it's good? Far from it ! But beyond the pollution itself, it is the concentration of it that poses a problem for the urban. A hundred cars traveling in the middle of the Landes or Morvan forest will not have the same impact as the ones on the periphery.
Have you heard about the continent of plastic ??? (also called 6th or 7th continent)

One does not justify the other. Reducing the impact of all pollution is indeed an "ethical" necessity rather than environmental (the second being the consequence of the lack of the first), but the electric is not more, nor less, ethical than the thermal since both are the consequences of the excessive and exorbitant development of the industry. " You can not have butter and buttery money »
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by Did67 » 11/01/14, 11:36

Janic wrote:
yet I have no illusions about the impact this has on readers of this site (and elsewhere) of "our" philosophy. (Did you even feel it and have you adopted this different path?) Despite this observation of semi failure related to culture, inertia, gastronomic habits and low dietary, "I" (ie to say a minority having made an awareness and acting in this direction) does not sit idly by. I do not believe in Santa Claus.


There are, in fact, "paths" ...

When it comes to food, there is a whole range of possible attitudes between the vegan and the big eaters of meat and frozen / processed products, with, as a result, a completely different "green" or "carbon" balance!

The issue is not so radically "meat / not meat", in my opinion.

In the arid steppe zones, cellulosic plants grow. The ruminant is then a "collector" of biomass, and therefore of solar energy. Only he can digest cellulose and transform it into "biomass" usable by humans ...

But I agree, our meat consumption is all: excessive, abusive, anti-eco-friendly, anti-CO2 balance so global warming.

I therefore include food in my reflection on how to improve my ecological footprint, as well as heating, travel, renewal of property ...

I can not, for nothing, a situation 100% satisfactory. Just compromises, with myself, with the life I lead ... But compromises whose effects are added ...
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by Christophe » 11/01/14, 12:00

About meat, heard a figure on TV yesterday:

The meat consumption of the Belgians has increased from 150 gr / day in the 50 years to 300 gr / day currently ...

I find these 2 figures well high (especially for the 50 years, 300 gr it's a beautiful steak!) ... or so it is that they include various losses and fricadelles lol!

Not you?

In any case, + 1 with did67 ... it is necessary to limit its consumption of meat ..
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by Did67 » 11/01/14, 13:00

Christophe wrote:

I find these 2 figures well high (especially for the 50 years, 300 gr it's a beautiful steak!) ... or so it is that they include various losses and fricadelles lol!

..


I think they include all meats, including self-production (rabbit or high chicken, in the 50 years, in every yard bottom).

And of course, sausages, sweet-potatoes, crusted pies, Olida pâté ...

It remains to be seen whether this is human consumption, or a gender ratio: tonnage of slaughtered meat corrected for import / export bialn / divided by the number of inhabitants.

In this case, you may also have food for dogs and cats, etc ...
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