Ecodriving, yes ... but watch out for premature wear!

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Re: Ecodriving, yes ... but watch out for premature wear




by hic » 26/03/14, 19:10

Hello

Alternative?

false problem!

normal wear of the brake disc
replacement at 60.000km on average

100.000km is normal for your type of driving.

but the enigma persists!

Except to consider that brake pads are ultra-efficient

to check the evolution history in material quality




Christophe wrote:As an economist, and as many here I presume, I practice theeco driving always.

Here is a topic that gives tips for practicing it: https://www.econologie.com/forums/l-ecocondu ... 10265.html

Only here, today I put a little question in this mode of driving because it can cause premature wear on different levels!

For my part I already see important 2 (to complete):

a) Premature engine fouling: EGR valve and particulate filter on diesel ...

b) premature wear of the brake discs: mine are HS to 105 000 km while I have NEVER yet changed pads, reason invoked by the garage, "You don't brake hard enough, the discs get clogged with brake pad residue and wear out faster"... kneaded and your steel is probably too soft, the piece of wear is the pads, not the discs ... In short a planned obsolescence of more ...

There are certainly other points that you will complete ...

So there you have it, my tip of the day: practice eco-driving most of the time, but driving a little more "sporty" from time to time (say 10% of the time?) Can help extend the life of your vehicle. ..
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Re: Ecodriving, yes ... but watch out for premature wear




by Christophe » 26/03/14, 19:14

Hic wrote:normal wear of the brake disc
replacement at 60.000km on average

100.000km is normal for your type of driving.

but the enigma persists!


Why I have 150 000 km in the head ???

Hic wrote:Except to consider that brake pads are ultra-efficient

to check the evolution history in material quality


Yes 105 000 km for pads, we agree it's a lot ... but enough logic in eco driving no?
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by Janic » 26/03/14, 20:06

it all depends on whether you are doing the city at peak times or the countryside outside of WE.
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by chatelot16 » 26/03/14, 20:26

the number of km is not significant for brake wear!

we can do a lot of km on the main road without ever touching the brakes ... in the city you have to slow down often

the discs and brake drum are not steel but cast iron, and they rust all as fast: just roll a day or it rains, and a week later without rolling the discs are rust color: no matter in one shot brake they shine as usual

the problem is that the technical controller, or the brake dealer decretente a little too fast the disc as too worn, while it is often not true ... he does not even go out the caliper to measure the thickness ! sometimes they do not even have the manufacturer's documentation giving the minimum tolerable thickness
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by Christophe » 26/03/14, 21:30

Janic wrote:it all depends on whether you are doing the city at peak times or the countryside outside of WE.


Campaign almost exclusively ... uh why outside WE ??
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by Flytox » 26/03/14, 23:04

Christophe wrote:ps: the nuance between "to death" and "violent" I find it difficult to perceive it :D


Yes, it's deadly nuance ... : Mrgreen: It was in the sense, you do for example a mountain course and you go down quickly and brake. In just a few miles your discs and pads are overheated and it brakes more and more badly, they have no time at all to cool, when the brake fluid boils the pedal goes to the bottom ... without it brakes ..... and if you get out without cardboard, the brakes became cold again took very very bad, like it's soft then it blocks without warning not to mention galloping wear.

The other solution is from time to time head limit braking in the windshield but without chaining ... This cleans the "icing" of the pads without killing them. : Mrgreen:
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by I Citro » 27/03/14, 00:52

Did67 wrote:
citro wrote:The eco drive fouls a little more but this is reversible on non-supercharged petrol models ...
You speak there engines, I think. No records ???

And do not clog on LPG at all, I think!
Even on LPG, the engines get dirty and the oil becomes black ... But much less than gasoline, and do not talk about diesel ...

It is true that on a new LPG car, the oil is transparent as the first day when we do the oil changes.
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by Christophe » 27/03/14, 08:41

Flytox wrote:The other solution is from time to time head limit braking in the windshield but without chaining ... This cleans the "icing" of the pads without killing them. : Mrgreen:


That I tried to do, several times ... but without result on the vibrations ...
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by Christophe » 27/03/14, 08:42

citro wrote:It is true that on a new LPG car, the oil is transparent as the first day when we do the oil changes.


Ah yes? I did not know!

Uh it remains "new" after how many oil changes? : Mrgreen:
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by Macro » 27/03/14, 09:13

The brake discs of a car ... Are made of cast iron ..Their corrosion (unless the car stays 10 years has not move in saline) is superficial ...

And yes the eco driving with can braking tends to harden the pads padding which uses more the disc, moreover since the removal of asbestos they tend not to wear itself regularly .. Brake violently with old pads ... Yes and no ... These are composite materials that are degraded over time ... It can be quite dangerous (takeoff of the lining) use its time brakes to another in a normal way (for a smoking driver) is enough ..

What can also you use your disks in eco driving is the seizure of etriers which will make you drag the wafer constantly on the disks. Also think to change your brake fluid (all the 5 years maximum maximum) which while aging is Fleet load makes the pistons seize

For the eco driving with shifting on the fly and under-revs (very effective on VW TDI) other significant wear the flywheel bi mass that takes full mouth ... And here it's not a game of records to 70 € ...

for the FAP and well yes it is necessary that the car can have the means to send its cycles of cleanings and it can be done only motor hot well charged. There are several type of FAP those which are regenerated with an additive, and those which are cleaned with a cycle of post injection of diesel.

For the LPG oil yes it is clean but it is not for that it does not deteriorate with the time. for that of the diesels its very dark coloring of the first use is sign that contains detergent additives that do their job correctly cleaning ...

The eco driving is also a tire wear less ... And we end up like me with my sax with tires crumbled rotten rear before they are witnesses ... Think to pass them to the front and mount your new tires at the back (for traction)

For me the biggest problem of the eco driving is to do it with a vehicle that has not been dimensioned for that ... As for example to ride in an excessively economical way with a TDI 170cv ... If you wanted to save money you had to take the same 115 ...
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