When carbon offsetting becomes citizen!

[Ahmed]

However, the work of NGOs is admirable, but as a whole, we can ask questions.
Near 100 billions of dollars were thus poured for the humanitarian aid on 30 years in Africa, result ...

Quit to repeat myself somewhat, but the mechanism is fundamental and must be well understood ...
The diagram is simple: the ruling "elites" * of emerging countries ** live comfortably on IMF and WB loans at the expense of their populations, who are deprived of services normally provided by the state: education, health and infrastructure. Most of the money goes into lavish spending and into the military which is used to maintain these privileges.
The repayment of the debt, interest and capital remains the responsibility of its populations, with the blessing of international institutions which encourage "Structural Adjustment Plans".
This is another illustration of the privatization of profits and the socialization of losses.

The various NGOs intervene in this background (with + or - efficiency), by more or less mitigating the shortcomings of the states, thus contributing (unintentionally) to the durability of this type of operation.

In this context, it goes without saying that no tangible result can be expected.

* Often set up by the praetorian countries of the North who find there a very interesting rent.

** "Emerging" countries, this is the new name clean countries formerly described as "underdeveloped", then "in the process of development", euphemisms designed to avoid admitting that they are in fact countries dominated and impoverished by their more powerful neighbors!

[Obamot]

Obviously, and even worse, submitted with the practice of "Vulture funds":
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fonds_vautour

... as described and reported by Judge Eva Joly, The Bucket Services and Rapporteur of the European Parliament's Committee on Development:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/get ... anguage=FR

... or the heads of states or restive districts, are simply murdered by sponsors working directly on the Wall Street financial markets.

Euresa-CO2Solidaire initiative: When carbon offsetting becomes a citizen
[b] On the occasion of RIO + 20, 4 mutual and cooperative insurance groups (Macif, Maif, IMA, P&V), members of the European group Euresa, join the carbon offsetting program CO2Solidaire GERES to propose to nearly 9 millions of members / customers a platform of Solidarité climatique® allowing them to calculate, reduce and offset their CO2 emissions by supporting a solidarity project in Cambodia. [/ B

Insurance ...? So they are affiliated organizations - near or far - to ... banks!

Banks that are the main cause of carbon emissions! How would you say? You did not know it? It is simple, it is they who grant the credits on the basis of file extremely searched. It is they who allocate funding for projects that produce Co2. Banks are therefore the first at the top of the hierarchy of causes of global warming! For it would be enough for them to refuse credits in such projects and to accept them in others less polluting, to reduce carbon emissions accordingly. By following this logic, it is totally true for fissile and fossil energies VS solar and other renewable energy (obviously).

So I retract my encouragement. We must not adhere to this kind of initiative to endorse the insurance companies. Give your donations to the honest associates working directly on the spot in Cambodia, and not needing such alibis ...!

[Flytox]

Euresa-CO2Solidaire initiative: When carbon offsetting becomes a citizen
[b] On the occasion of RIO + 20, 4 mutual and cooperative insurance groups (Macif, Maif, IMA, P&V), members of the European group Euresa, join the carbon offsetting program CO2Solidaire GERES to propose to nearly 9 millions of members / customers a platform of Solidarité climatique® allowing them to calculate, reduce and offset their CO2 emissions by supporting a solidarity project in Cambodia. [/ B

Insurance ...? So they are affiliated organizations - near or far - to ... banks!

Banks that are the main cause of carbon emissions! How would you say? You did not know it? It is simple, it is they who grant the credits on the basis of file extremely searched. It is they who allocate funding for projects that produce Co2. Banks are therefore the first at the top of the hierarchy of causes of global warming! For it would be enough for them to refuse credits in such projects and to accept them in others less polluting, to reduce carbon emissions accordingly. By following this logic, it is totally true for fissile and fossil energies VS solar and other renewable energy (obviously).

So I retract my encouragement. We must not adhere to this kind of initiative to endorse the insurance companies. Give your donations to the honest associates working directly on the spot in Cambodia, and not needing such alibis ...!

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[sen-no-sen]

Euresa-CO2Solidaire initiative: When carbon offsetting becomes a citizen
On the occasion of RIO + 20, 4 mutual and cooperative insurance groups (Macif, Maif, IMA, P&V), members of the European group Euresa, join the carbon offsetting program CO2Solidaire GERES to propose to nearly 9 millions of members / customers a platform of Solidarité climatique® allowing them to calculate, reduce and offset their CO2 emissions by supporting a solidarity project in Cambodia. [/ B

Insurance ...? So they are affiliated organizations - near or far - to ... banks!

Banks that are the main cause of carbon emissions!

And yes and besides a certain Blythe Masters, founding mother of CDS (to whom we owe in part the subprime crisis) was one of the first to launch the idea of ​​"carbon exchange".
the bank always wins at "hunger"!


In any case, it is a matter of meeting, most industrialized countries set their sights and their investment on unconventional deposits in the Arctic for example and on the exploitation of shale gas or methane hydrate. carbon is just hay to give yourself a good conscience!

[b] Ahmed wrote

The various NGOs intervene in this background (with + or - efficiency), by more or less mitigating the shortcomings of the states, thus contributing (unintentionally) to the durability of this type of operation.

But then we would have been lying?

[Ahmed]

the carbon offset is just hay to give yourself good conscience!

... and especially to sow confusion in minds and defuse all critical thinking!

[Bettin]

Hello everybody

a last word before completely disappearing from these exchanges that resemble those of 6 or 7 years ago. When we launched voluntary compensation in France. You will notice that changing the opinions on compensation takes at least a decade ...

Some clarifications therefore:
- Insurance is cooperative and mutual, I invite you to learn about these terms.
- They are only a relay to their insured. I challenge you to go find this platform at home: say they are far from bending the chest.
- Compensation can be anything other than a restorative approach. This is our message and our approach since 2004. We are a Solidarity NGO that has 35 years of experience in Southern countries. Understand one thing: carbon finance (critiquable I agree) is an innovative way to finance development programs. I remind you that Official Development Assistance is drying up ... The development of such sources for an NGO is rather welcome.
- We are a team of 70 in Cambodia including Cambodian 60. The reflection on the presence on the spot is bad.
- We have structured the whole of a local sector of production and diffusion of improved furnaces. Allowing to touch 50% of the urban population in Cambodia. What we are aiming for is the sustainability of the project, over several decades.

Finally, a tip if you want to change the practices, change your point of view (a step on the side is sometimes enough) and make you hear as someone sensible: inquire!

And stop believing your parents! ;-)

Good to you all.

[Obamot]

a last word before completely disappearing from these exchanges that resemble those of 6 or 7 years ago. When we launched voluntary compensation in France. You will notice that changing the opinions on compensation takes at least a decade ...

Bein then in ten years ... So banks have continued to fund companies that are generating Co2 (how could it be otherwise!)

Some clarifications therefore:
- Insurance is cooperative and mutual, I invite you to learn about these terms.
- They are only a relay to their insured. I challenge you to go find this platform at home: say they are far from bending the chest.

Maybe you are sincere and well intentioned. But your site tells us the opposite and displays loudly the word "BANK":
http://www.co2solidaire.org/fr/partenai ... ances.html

The association of insurance with the banking world in this case, is absolutely not wrong. You take us for balls or what ...

However, it does not change anything. The benefits of insurance will increase the pocket of bankers, who speculate with this money, are in real estate and especially land speculation (subprime closely linked to the largest mutual insurance of America: AIS, largely supported by the state that saved her from bankruptcy)

- Compensation can be anything other than a restorative approach. This is our message and our approach since 2004. We are a Solidarity NGO that has 35 years of experience in Southern countries. Understand one thing: carbon finance (critiquable I agree) is an innovative way to co-finance development programs.

Yes, that ... the West "benefactor" ... just question the few "recipientsTo find out what's going on. Because your ovens - although they use them for those who can not afford to do otherwise - they do not have much to do:
- first of all, it is a country full of fruits, and so it is not a vital necessity for the population;
- baking rice on it either, is not ideal, since they use more and more dedicated devices that cost them around 10 € ...
- contrary to what you claim, by promoting these kilns powered by wood and coal, you contribute to deforestation! (Even if your oven decreases consumption);
- it does not heat enough for traditional cooking, so it uses it for grilling (which is not healthy and contributes to the collapse of their immune defenses, when it is not simply cancerous, like we know it only too well ...);
- the "tao"(that's what they call them in some corners) take them a lot of time to cook, so they are vectors that lead women to stay longer at home and therefore hinder their emancipation (and I am in a good position to know that there they would need more independence from the predominantly male omnipotent);
By doing that, you keep them more in their condition, that you do not help them to get out of it;
- they do not need you at all to make earthenware ovens, they are quite capable of doing it themselves (that's where you really still take people for marbles, amha);
- and if there is something that they do much better than us, it's good to "To bring solidarity values ​​to the population", there you take us a third time for balls. You would be better inspired to come to wear this HERE, in the suburbs;
- it's certainly a bottomless pit for donors, so good for charity-business, but in practice it's a pipe (I have knowledge there ... and I know from experience that do not really like to use this type of oven, which is a kind of "marking of poverty", intrinsic to the people who use it).
- in a few years, you will come with reforestation projects ...

But above all, the way you make us feel guilty speaks volumes about your "solidarity" methods ... hum!

I remind you that Public Aid for Development is drying up ...

No wonder if you partner with insurance companies and banks ... And if what you offer does not match a need optimally ...

The development of such sources for an NGO is rather welcome.
- We are a team of 70 in Cambodia including Cambodian 60. The reflection on the presence on the spot is bad.

This is a business that is being conducted ...

- We have structured the whole of a local sector of production and diffusion of improved furnaces. Allowing to touch 50% of the urban population in Cambodia. What we are aiming for is the sustainability of the project, over several decades.

I do not understand the process of producing ovens - which produce carbon - in a country that is full of sunshine with peak temperatures that go up to 40 ° C ...? I think it's a complete aberration. There are alternatives to solar concentrators that are much more interesting and that cost nothing to use afterwards because there is no need to buy fuel. So what is innovative about such an approach?

In addition, your approach is not appropriate for local practices and cooking! These people do not need your ovens, which will end up in a shed ... They cook with woks that need high temperatures to grab food. This is why they use mainly gas. You would have been much more inspired to recover the methane from farms ... Who in any case ended his race in the atmosphere if he is not recovered ....

Your program is therefore absolutely not in accordance with the "local needs and aspirations" (or at least towards those towards which the population tends to go) ... And if you had bothered to go in this direction there would have been a lot better to do ...!

Thus, it is rather YOU - who go to the wrong way - to better inform you about the initiatives of other NGOs, which do not go in the same direction as yours (but who chose to listen to the needs without proselytism).

Do you also know that people in these regions also have government programs, which do not need to be sponsored by insurance companies in need of recognition?

Finally, a tip if you want to change the practices, change your point of view (a step on the side is sometimes enough) and make you hear as someone sensible: inquire!

And stop believing your parents! ;-)

I think it's answering aside for not answering. And sarcasm is not very welcome for an action so badly tied.

[Flytox]

This is called taking a ....

[Obamot]

Who did not notice some sort of spamming of forums and the media by this organization, GERES? Who hardly seems to be heard to the point that she needs a "com delegate" who does not want to confess his name and possibly conceals himself under various pompous titles, such as: «CO2Solidaire carbon offsetting program» or "Project Manager for Climate Solidarity GERES » then again «CO2Solidaire Program Manager» (...It varies). Without ever, however, specify his professional qualifications ...

Yet here, the color is clearly announced (TV-Pro, Your Business Tube ...):
http://www.tivipro.tv/chaine_sshome.php?id=1806887
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REPjmRrg-EI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHl_T6hRKro
We now understand why we mustprotect brandsIn such a context "promotional»... and since there is interest in protecting them (you will not notice any answers in the margin of these videos ...)

Well not Mr. Bettin, we can tell him that the local partners do not know the reality of the field in the sense that GERES understands it, unless his organization does not care (which is much more likely amha .. .)

Proof of this is that it is not really motivated finally, since this new form of marketeux feind not to continue to participate as soon as "Time is spoilingWhen disturbing questions are raised, and that they are apparently not able to answer the real questions of this problem (which also changes in appearance at the will of the poles of interest and probably the "donors" as developed here). -after)...

Astonishing when we search under his nickname (or real name?), It is apparently that person eventually has several referends on the web - and not only the problems of Co2 but also water , which is not really comparable, hum .... - and is content to copy / paste by repeating the same message laconically in both cases:

Here initiated under the pseudo rogerbarthas
http://www.cambodgeforum.com/t193p10-ac ... goodplanet

Here same process, signed Audrey Chauvet (and problematic of the water, no longer of Co2):
http://www.voyageons-autrement.com/renaud-bettin
Same text reported here, by the same process:
http://sangha.leforum.eu/t2305-L-eau-de ... n-Asie.htm
Taken from 20 Minutes:
http://www.20minutes.fr/article/691721/ ... sions-asie
(So ​​I find it hard to believe that forums take this info as it is?)

Here the promotion of his pedigree by a certain Romain Vallon (here I'm sorry ...):
http://www.voyageons-autrement.com/renaud-bettin
Obviously, it is much easier and more LUCRATIVE to tackle the problem of housewives making their way in Cambodia than to have the courage to tackle the carbon pollution of the Rhur factories. ...> road traffic or that produced on the other side of the Atlantic!

Here he changes his cap as "Project Manager for Climate Solidarity GERES »:
http://www.tibet.fr/site/eau.php?itemid=13724

It is true that being "co-solidarity" with the German industries, the motorists or the military-industrial complex Ricard, it is less carrying with the donors ... whether or not captive or not of banks or insurance companies (such as spheres of influence, it is now the questoin that one must ask ...!)

North-South solidarity has a good back, especially when it is driven by the North!

GERES presents itself as an NGO, I see them rather like good rattlers in the state ...

[sen-no-sen]

Obamot I do not understand you, see!

It's not even up to us to change our habits!
It's so much easier to change others!

It's tiring to see people make food by burning wood, it must be offsets the emissions of our big 4X4.
Cambodians must understand that a V8 is more important than a dish of rice!
Really these people from the south no compassion!