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by Christophe » 16/01/16, 23:07

Stop your car Ben-Exnihiloest!

20 ° C at the scale of a continent like the Arctic is significant of a serious problem of climatic stability !!
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by Ahmed » 17/01/16, 20:13

Sawing the branch on which we are sitting would be what would prompt us to invent (quickly!) The parachute ... Hum!
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by Exnihiloest » 18/01/16, 21:20

Christophe wrote:Stop your car Ben-Exnihiloest!
20 ° C at the scale of a continent like the Arctic is significant of a serious problem of climatic stability !!

No.
"Selection bias", or else it is no longer a question of science but of faith.
Short and localized exceptions still occur, statistically. They are not a sign of anything but weather fluctuations.
The poles cool down:
http://actualite.lachainemeteo.com/actu ... -26291.php
http://actualite.lachainemeteo.com/actu ... -26226.php
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by Obamot » 18/01/16, 23:04

... always so ... what to say?
Exnihiloest wrote:
Christophe wrote:Stop your car Ben-Exnihiloest!
20 ° C at the scale of a continent like the Arctic is significant of a serious problem of climatic stability !!

No.
"Selection bias",
The poles cool down:
http://actualite.lachainemeteo.com/actu ... -26291.php
Derived from the link of Ex-Nihilo, which reads decidedly ONLY what suits him, since the author - contrary to what he claims - wrote:This cooling trend in the Southern Ocean can be explained by a causal link: climate change would change the circulation and wind strength around Antarctica, further isolating it from outside warming and promoting the freezing of sea ice

http://actualite.lachainemeteo.com/actu ... -26226.php

Make a beautiful one of "selection bias " : Mrgreen:
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by Christophe » 18/01/16, 23:33

You grilled me on this one, Obamot! : Cheesy:
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by Ahmed » 24/01/16, 19:28

I had also seen the "bug", but why bother about details *?
Climatology is complex systems, with a large number of interacting factors. There is a lot of data, perhaps too much, but it is difficult to know the influence of certain parameters, an influence that is estimated and may completely change the conclusions. In short, it is a very difficult scientific problem which it is useless to expect unquestionable results before the ordinary mortal can not see for himself the evolution of the situation.
For me, it is therefore a smokescreen, support propaganda for energy transition, if not real, at least dream.

I do not know if the increase in CO2 raises the global temperature, but what I do know is that it very faithfully reflects the ongoing destruction of ecosystems and the conditions for the continuation of life on earth, for us and for the other species victims of our submission to the fetish of the abstract value.

* This does not prevent that you have done well to note this beautiful "bias" of selection!
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by Exnihiloest » 30/01/16, 20:50

Obamot wrote:...
Make a beautiful one of "selection bias " : Mrgreen:

What I am saying is that the elements supporting global warming are far from sufficient to affirm it!
As proof, we can present arguments against it with the same ease, which I did.
You did not understand the process at all. I have nothing to prove in terms of warming. The burden of proof is on those who claim it.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9thode_scientifique
"As a result of this scientific discovery, or at the same time, researchers are trying to explain the phenomenon through hypotheses. A hypothesis, to be scientifically admissible, must be rebuttable, that is, must allow experiments that corroborate it (confirm it) or refute it (do not know it).
These are the repeated proofs confirmed by other researchers, various and varied, that support a hypothesis.
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Where are the "other researchers" who could refute anything? The IPCC has the monopoly.

Where one can make a sure assertion about warming is that even the premature hypothesis is premature.
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by Exnihiloest » 30/01/16, 20:51

Ahmed wrote:...
Climatology is complex systems, with a large number of interacting factors. [...] In short, it is a very difficult scientific problem which it is vain to wait for undeniable results


100% okay, that's what I say too.

before the common man can see for himself the evolution of the situation.
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or to note the absence of evolution, even an evolution contrary to appearances of the moment.

The most amusing thing is that they are often the most inclined to cry out about the dangers of science, which refer to it when it comes to the climate: a circumstantial argument of course in this case, coming from an ideological position . And all the less solid argument that the sources are the IPCC and that its conclusions are not refutable, so not scientific.
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by sen-no-sen » 30/01/16, 20:56

Exnihiloest wrote:What I am saying is that the elements supporting global warming are far from sufficient to affirm it!


What should be done in this case, wait until the temperature is enough to melt all the permafrost?
As already said on another subject,there is a scientific consensus on global warming.
Where there is little consensus is on the effects of warming in the face of antagonistic the parasol effect, or the multiplication of cyclones etc ...
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by Exnihiloest » 03/02/16, 21:20

sen-no-sen wrote:
Exnihiloest wrote:What I am saying is that the elements supporting global warming are far from sufficient to affirm it!


What should be done in this case, wait until the temperature is enough to melt all the permafrost?
As already said on another subject,there is a scientific consensus on global warming.
Where there is little consensus is on the effects of warming in the face of antagonistic the parasol effect, or the multiplication of cyclones etc ...

Knowing that there is or has been a warming is not strictly operational from an operational point of view. What matters is whether it is a transient fluctuation, or not, and predict the evolution. The state of climatology is far from being able to claim to have the science to do it: I have already reported their lamentable crashes in their past predictions.
The problem is that today we are no longer in the domain of reason, but emotion, which is carefully maintained by the actors, the scientists of the IPCC themselves, the environmentalists, the politicians and the reporters who take back all that they are told without a screen, and the alarmists of all kinds, including the partisans of degrowth.
But emotion is stronger than reason. The rational discussions on the subject become impossible.
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