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by Remundo » 10/02/08, 16:55

Hi Toto65, hello everyone

I see that the discussion is focused on a tax debate 8)

toto65 wrote:"Countering" the WTO with the environment : Arrow: Yes, indicating the energy cost of the product. By letting the consumer choose first, then later by taxing with an "energy" VAT in which transport and manufacturing would be taken into account.
Christophe had opened a topic sure hyper market that indicated the energy cost on the packaging. (I'm looking for it)


It's a good idea indeed. This can promote both consumer awareness and product development with lower energy consumption.

Very good your video. The passage where the Chinese gives his diplomatic perception of the work of the Algerians is excellent ... : Cheesy:
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by Remundo » 10/02/08, 17:09

gegyx wrote:The non (or less) taxation of inheritance, real estate and pecuniary, is part of the "tax gift" of € 15 billion, that SarKosette has just squandered ...


It's not squandered.

90% of this money has remained in the pockets of lower middle to upper middle classes, who need it to cope with the rise of real estate and consumer goods

Should we remember in passing that this money was won by all middle class workers ... It is not really a due to the state as some emphatic statements I hear in me (r) dias suggest.

The remaining 10% favor the richest households (ISF, Income Tax ...). And it's not necessarily silly ... I know that this is a priori shocking ... In fact, by dint of firing red balls on "the rich", well, the rich get out of the way ... The problem is that they leave behind misery to the poor who point fingers not always amicably ... And these same poor become even more for lack of economic investment resulting from the departure of capital.

Do not worry, what is not done in France is elsewhere ... In Spain, Germany, England, the USA, China ...

The central problem of taxation in France is that one spends one's time raising rates. In doing so, the plate is waning day by day because past certain thresholds, the rich individuals disappear, and businesses have 2 solutions: die or relocate

The opposite is the case ... having rates low enough for businesses and individuals to grow. The plate widens and the recipes are also raised, even with lower rates.
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by Remundo » 10/02/08, 17:27

Given the catastrophic situation of our finances, I predict an increase in the CSG which will not be far from 14% and the so-called "social" VAT.

I also predict a hardening in the distribution of social and minimum social assistance.

These are the 3 measures that will tap into the savings of individuals, reduce (without much discernment) the incomes of the inactive, without touching the companies that need to revive.

So everyone will cringe and shake their buttocks, me first. The problem for the French is that the debt is abstract for them. In reality, the few 50 000 Euros of debts that hover over the head of each active adult, will be sucked in one way or another ... on his savings AND on his work.

Because we can hardly touch SMEs, otherwise, it is bankruptcy assured ...

I will provoke a little, but you can ponder the following ...
It is a fair return of things, because this debt, it is the French who made it, globally by their lack of seriousness having brought to power personalities (right and left) in the image of those who voted for them and who never had the courage to complete a positive budget since 30 years ... That's it It has been necessary to constantly honor a billion-dollar social system that only a powerful economy can support and electoral promises, sometimes totally illegitimate.

I would say that it is no longer fashionable to philosophize about the social or anti-social character of this or that tax. It is a luxury reserved for a financially healthy state.

In France, we have a huge hole to stuff and everyone will have to bring his wheelbarrow of coins ... Knowing that the richest are easily extracted from all this and that we must not rely on them ...

Sorry to be a bit brutal, but I do not think I'm totally wrong ...

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by bham » 10/02/08, 18:06

Christophe wrote:bham, the problem is that this shortfall he must find it somewhere else (already they are saying bankruptcy ...), I predict an increase in VAT for everyone (even the very poor) on the horizon 2009 ...

A social VAT pit be. It's possible my good sir.
When the loss of profits, I stay on my positions that I will illustrate with an image; you take two people who earn the same salary and have a certain lifestyle. The 1ère will wonder and will do everything to earn more in order to assume or even increase his lifestyle. The second does not want to take the head, does not want to work more but still would like to pay for small things, without increasing its lifestyle; for that she will wonder about her superfluous expenses to focus on the essential, at least on what really interests her.
Another example that you must know Christophe: for a long time a large part of the Germans choose to tighten their belts at the food level, to be able to afford the car that will give them an image of social success. They make a choice.
The state, he does not seem able to control his expenses, does not know how many officials work for him, in short works by wanting more, but not necessarily by redistributing more and more. There is a HUGE amount of public money wasted, so before worrying about a shortfall, one should first of all question the good use of the money collected. See the latest report of the Court of Auditors.
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by gegyx » 10/02/08, 18:17

There was talk of inheritance fees on a family home, the price of which has swelled disproportionately with the years (as on the island of Ré).
This is unfair because the emotional heritage is no longer in the family. It's sad. But the sale of the property, can accommodate all children in houses, in another city ...
It is the same with farmers who have few pensions, but have the land that is consistent.
Traders who work a lot, and have little retirement;
but they have placed all their assets, not fully declared in the tax office, in the rented real estate whose value has swelled.

Dilapid is the true word, because there is no investment, a useful counterpart for economic recovery, and the mismanagement continues every day.
The boxes were empty before the election, but today they have no chance of being bailed out.

Remundo you are not wrong, but do not be more bored!

Because the bitch of the case, if it takes his last savings, while liberal lax is for the haves, it may be even more stupid than one might think, and a bloody spell, to donors of lessons.
We have always given crumbs to the most humble to the limit, so that they do not revolt and destroy the whole system.
Currently, Iznogood seems to forget it.
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by Remundo » 10/02/08, 18:31

Sorry Gegyx if I gave you the feeling of "yelling at you" :?

You're right in saying that when the system breaks the figure, wherever the situation becomes untenable, the atrocities are not far away ...

It's still unfortunate that France arrives one day at this point with all the wealth it has. It has happened in the past ... in times when the management of the country was about as bad as the one we know.

But by dint of having policies devoid of any sense of the general interest, which do not know how to decide in the heart of the matter by saying "no, we can't do it" ...

It must be said that the French people is perhaps one of the most difficult to govern ... And we gave him the bad habit of winning the case by long and violent protests if necessary ...
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by gegyx » 10/02/08, 18:54

But by dint of having policies devoid of any sense of the general interest, which do not know how to decide in the heart of the matter by saying "no, we can't do it" ...


Strangely, it's always what we hear, only when we have to give a little more than crumbs to the most humble.
After teaching, do politics. There are so many great men who have sliced ​​in the quick, but on the people.

As for your exemplary idol R. Barre. I passed through my throat. Pouf, pouf, pouf, we are at the end of the tunnel, he said for 5 years ...
Me, laureate of a contest, I waited to be named, since 3 years ...
This highly moral person, from civil society had consulted the Constitutional Council to cancel the benefit of competitions for laureates waiting for a job.
Mitterrand had promised to hire all the laureates on hold, and he did. It's moral!
That's what allowed me to build myself.
Then Babar thought it would be good to continue the policy, until his DC, while napping at the assembly.
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by Remundo » 10/02/08, 19:15

Hi Gegyx,

Raymond BARRE is not my idol ... I just said that he had the guts not to grant everything when he did not have the necessary money. This is the last Minister 1er to have a balanced budget.

gegyx wrote:Strangely, it's always what we hear, only when we have to give a little more than crumbs to the most humble.
After teaching, do politics. There are so many great men who have sliced ​​in the quick, but on the people.

Who are you thinking of, are they really "great" men?

What is your story of a contest "canceled" by "Babar" and reinstated by "Fanfan la Mitt"?

If you have a competition of the Public Service, you benefit from the profession and the statutes referring to it unless you put very seriously at fault ...

Finally ... if you can clarify ...

At the end of his life, I grant you, Babar would have done better to rest at home ... : Cheesy:
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by gegyx » 10/02/08, 19:29

I am talking about public service competitions, since 1976 where the winners were waiting for their appointment.
End 1980 Barre had the approval of the Constitutional Council to cancel the benefit of these competitions to all these bastards of future civil servants who lost their time in useless studies.

Giscard was ironing and it was done.

There had already been a cancellation of competition results, it was during the occupation.
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by Remundo » 10/02/08, 19:35

I do not know these facts ... which surprise me a little.

Let's admit ... Maybe there was initially too much opening of positions, and therefore of laureate competitions compared to needs.

Anyway, in this case, the solution was not the cancellation of competitions, but the reduction of admissions for future years in order to employ those who had normally obtained their support ... And to propose them provisional assignments in the meantime.
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