Warming up and purchasing power according to Jancovici (video)

[Remundo]

For the 80%, you are very close to reality ...
Because on 100 Euros gross product, we already contribute 25 Euros in illness / retirement.

For the rest... it's the total rinse. Expect 25 Euros income tax for a single person. He remains 50 ...

Enroll 20 Euros of VAT + TIPP on the fuel ... It remains 30 ...

And highlight of the show, theinheritance tax ... the one who imposes a wealth that has already paid a high tax. It still eats 10. How many estates are forced to sell off the family house "goes quickly" because they do not have the liquidity to pay 20 or 30% of 300 Euros? In addition to losing your parents, lose their heritage and the place of your childhood : Evil:

The most terrifying is that all this is still not enough to balance the machine, on the contrary ... France is in a spiral of over-indebtedness because the more it is in deficit, the more it increases taxes, the more businesses and individuals are strangled. Result: they flee or give up. Revenues go down, social spending goes up, and we give a layer of levy ...

"Who are we kidding?" Come to think of it, many French people are guilty, rulers as well as “lambda” citizens. In my province, we summarize the situation by saying that there are some good kicks in the ass that get lost ... I won't say more ...

The discussion on purchasing power is only one small consequence among many others of this inglorious "state" of facts.

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[Remundo]

Hi toto65

Compared to your remark
I wonder about the state. What is the point of promoting product manufacturing abroad? Because as your example shows it he wins more to make on the spot since everything returns to him ...

Manufacturing "on site" has not been competitive for a long time since there is no customs duty on products from countries with low labor costs.

And the state still needs to levy VAT ... he has so many "things" to finance blindly, in his great goodness ... so he lets in massively the products, by having his VAT financed by the savings of the "gogos" of French people who continue to have a little and to use. But they are getting poorer .... It is a short-term vision leading us straight into the wall. The currencies leave the country and are definitely lost.

After, we are surprised that we have no money for research and industrial investment ...

Hence the problem of purchasing power and 40 billion Euros of trade deficit.

On the carbon tax, it starts from a good principle. But remains to know if everyone plays the game around the world... because in this case, imposing it on economies as fragile as France alongside "dragons" or "cowboys" freeing themselves from it amounts to we wear the thrust ...

[toto65]

"On-site" manufacturing has not been competitive for a long time

It will never be faced with totalitarian countries where it is "go or die". What puzzles me is the lack of reaction from the French state. We could take protectionist measures to bounce back, the environment could be a useful lever to counter the WTO.

The currencies leave the country and are definitely lost.

Why? They may buy TGV, AGV, right?

[Remundo]

Hi Toto65,

The low-cost countries are not necessarily totalitarian, for example, all the countries of the East, South America, South Korea, India ... Simply, the people of these countries agree to work for 50 Euros / month while some of the small French stay at home for 500 Euros / month. It's not a question of judging either one or the other ... it's just a statement.

The French State is committed to the European Union and cannot put customs without the agreement of the "25". In fact, with the "Shengen" space, goods circulate freely. So all states must tune their violins in this area ...

Moreover, this customs policy is problematic because, by simplifying it, it compromises the sale of the "airbus and TGV" that you mention. This is why Europe, under the influence of Germany, which is the world's leading exporter of goods and industrial products, does not want these customs duties.

"Counter" the WTO with the environment? I do not see your idea well ... The WTO manages the trade of goods and much less the supply of energy. Now, clean energy would give a little air and independence to Europe which really needs it ...

For the purchase of TGV, Airbus etc ... Yes, they buy us, but not enough because otherwise, we would have a surplus and not a deficit of 40 Mds on foreign trade. I think Germany finished at 190 over Mds ... and with the same brakes as expensive energy and the strong Euro

Another big problem, in general, low-cost countries are asking us to deliver also the plans and a free assembly plant ... which means they will soon be at 90% of our technology, and with a little more time, they will surpass us. I am thinking especially of China ... And here it is even more serious than having lost foreign currency

Frankly, without being in the "pathos", France is declining. But she still has the means to stand up ... will she take her chance

[Supertux]

To respond to the different remarks about the tax on inheritance, in a liberal economy it is quite justified. Not taxing inheritances is detrimental to equality of opportunity.

It remains to find a balance between individual and general interest.

About mandatory removals, I found this graph interesting:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ountry.svg
(Be careful, I do not read the svg natively ... you need the adobe or firefox plugin)

That a government seeks to please the greatest number seems to me quite normal, that is its reason for being.

The problem is not to want to please the greatest number, the problem is that the largest number is unable to see would be only the medium term and is limited to the very short term.

Low-cost countries are not necessarily totalitarian, for example, all the countries of the East, South America, South Korea, India ...

Beware, South Korea is not a low cost country. I had read that Samsung employees were paid as much as their counterparts in the United Kingdom and that relocations to the Chinese neighbor were being studied ... From memory the minimum wage is about the equivalent of 500 $ usd.

Korea is a good example: there is 50 years, in his division, Korea was a very poor country. The south has developed, in the north, however, still reigns famine ...

and with a little more time, they will overtake us. I am thinking especially of China ...

I may not be making friends by saying that but honestly when you see how hard they work the Chinese I sincerely think they deserve it more than the French grumble stubbornly by their purchasing power in the very short term while the ship sinks in the medium term ...

[bham]

To respond to the different remarks about the tax on inheritance, in a liberal economy it is quite justified. Not taxing inheritances is detrimental to equality of opportunity ....

Should we call you "SuperTAX?"
You speak of equality of opportunity and liberal economy; is not it antinomic? If we were under communist or even socialist rule, I'm fine. And then to think in terms of equality of opportunity at this level, is to put on the same level the guy who has worked all his life and who put aside and the guy who also worked but who has eaten everything while doing pleasure.
A legacy is not just that of a wealthy or wealthy family for generations.
So I totally agree with Remundo when he says:

And the highlight of the show, the inheritance tax ... the one that imposes a heritage that has already paid the tax generously. It still eats 10. How many estates are forced to sell off the family house "goes quickly" because they do not have the liquidity to pay 20 or 30% of 300 Euros? IN addition to losing your parents, lose their heritage and the place of your childhood ...

Because such examples are commonplace. My father built his house in 1967 for 12 million Francs, 20 000 around €.
Today, this house is worth more, because of inflation and rising prices in real estate. It is obvious in this case that the children can not pay the rights of succesion. Only those with good money know how to avoid paying too much and keeping family assets. So always to take the example of my father, he had to work, pay taxes on these revenues, pay VAT on materials. The house from the beginning has already been the source of multiple tax punctures to be able to exist. During the succession, we will tax this house on its value at the time of the succession. Will the same house, built in the countryside, on the Ile de Ré or in the suburbs of the city, have the same value in the end, whereas it will have cost roughly the same thing at the beginning? No, of course.
Can we say that it is thanks to the State that the house has acquired "monetary" value? I don't think so, I would even say that the state took advantage of the market which caused real estate prices to rise. So why tax a property that is already taxed at the base and annually via the property tax on an inheritance value which "took place" without the State?
When one knows that a life insurance is deductible of inheritance taxes up to 150 000 € / person! Ok, money placed in life insurance is used to run the economy but the house also contributes through local taxation.

[toto65]

Thank you for this lighting. I'm getting lost in all these issues.


"Countering" the WTO with the environment Yes, indicating the energy cost of the product. By letting the consumer choose first, then later by taxing with an "energy" VAT in which transport and manufacturing would be taken into account.
Christophe had opened a topic sure hyper market that indicated the energy cost on the packaging. (I'm looking for it)

they will surpass us. I am thinking particularly of China

To illustrate your words:
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/6566143/video/x1socp_lalgerie-le-nouvel-eldorado-chinois

[gegyx]

The non (or less) taxation of inheritance, real estate and pecuniary, is part of the "tax gift" of € 15 billion, that SarKosette has just squandered ...

[bham]

The non (or less) taxation of inheritance, real estate and pecuniary, is part of the "tax gift" of € 15 billion, that SarKosette has just squandered ...

For once, I agree with this measure, the state does not know how to manage the public money, let the money of the successions to the heirs, charge for them to use it as they please and to make turn the economy.

[Christophe]

bham, the problem is that this shortfall he must find it somewhere else (already they are saying bankruptcy ...), I predict an increase in VAT for everyone (even the very poor) on the horizon 2009 ...



There is no more "egalitarian" and "unequal" at the same time as the VAT when you think about it: everyone pays it on all their expenses and at the same time this its value does not represent the same value relative to purchasing power of each ... (I am thinking of food in particular ...)