Ecological pact 2007 by the Nicolas Hulot Foundation

[Targol]

In line with the NH Pact, but only concerning trannsports, an article of Engine-Nature which proposes 10 tracks allowing us to consume less, pollute less and change our relationship to energy which allows our "mobility...

What do you think ?

Point by point, my opinion on these 10 measures:

• 1 / Prohibit minors driving motor vehicles with explosion engines Very good idea. In addition to the gains in air and noise pollution, kids will have a harder time "unleashing" electric motors. As a reminder, this type of 2 wheels at a maximum speed limited to 45km / h by law. Have you ever seen a lot of them going at this speed?
• 2 / Electrically Converting Unlicensed Cars (VSP) with an Explosive Engine If you do not delete them completely, why not? Only small problem: this type of cars is much developed in the countryside. Will autonomy be enough?
• 3 / Remove the tax advantages of LPG Here we find one of the great motorsport of nature. In addition to the fact that these fuels are a waste distillation and that if they are not burned in engines, flares will take care of it (no gain for the atmosphere, therefore), this measure would not affect a sufficient number of vehicles for have a real impact.
• 4 / Make a Legal Framework to Enable the Creation of Zero Pollution Traffic Zones Fully agree.
• 5 / Restore the annual car sticker Yes but ... if the income from this vignette is used to finance energy savings, public transport and renewable energy.
• 6 / Restrict the circulation of old cars There, it is really enough limit as proposal. Not everyone can afford a C5, or even a Logan. I have RMIstes mates who live in a house in the middle of the woods and could not get by without their rotten 205. Who will pay them the Logan if their 205 is closed to traffic?
• 7 / Limit CO2 emissions by car Completely agree to limit the emissions of new models (Cf my opinion on point 6). No a posteriori control which would penalize especially the poorest. Just a ban on marketing new models with excessive rejects. This could also be done on the principle of a "floating" scale: prohibition of exceeding the emission average by more than 50%. Thus, as the fleet is renewed, the limit would decrease (this is what is done in Switzerland to be entitled to state aid on low-emission buildings).
• 8 / Unleashing bio energies fully agree as long as "bio" is not just a word written on the pump. If it is to have hectares cultivated with a lot of pesticides, chemical fertilizers and diesel tractors, that only postpones the problem while posing that of food crops that could become less profitable than those to feed our cars. ....
• 9 / Preparing the end of fuel-consuming fuels who can be against such a proposal?
• 10 / Develop Hydrogen Ok, so ... it's a bit of a waste of how you produce the hydrogen in question.

Here, I think I went around. You wanted advice, Bucheron. You'll have at least mine

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* 1 / Prohibit minors driving motor vehicles explosion Very good idea.

And how will they move? With the car of parents or a friend of age?
Offer them an offer of public transport later at night (example: Paris has just postponed one hour the closure of subways), fast, secure ...

* 2 / Convert to electric unlicensed cars (VSP) with explosion engine

When will a big French company start electric vehicles? La Poste had to do it, I do not know where it is. Info?
Question stupid: why EDF does not roll to the electric?

Why still want to ban and create new technologies? You just have to organize a little, but you're less innovative in this area.

Some ideas (for the bike for example)

We are told: ride a bicycle. Very good, but how many cities have bicycle lanes? In Paris, many have been created but they are constantly blocked by parked vehicles. Result: you have to disengage, which is very dangerous. Vehicles on a bicycle lane => Immediate removal of the vehicle, immediate withdrawal of the license.
And then, once arrived at work: I station where my bike? Because if it's to make me fly, not great. Or take the rain, the cold ...
=> Obligation for all companies to offer as many bicycle spaces as there are parking spaces + showers (you sweat when cycling) ...

[Targol]

* 1 / Prohibit minors driving motor vehicles explosion Very good idea.

And how will they move? With the car of parents or a friend of age?

You should have read the article in question and my answer in full before responding: Engine nature offers to replace them with electric scooters that have existed for some years.

Offer them an offer of public transport later at night (example: Paris has just postponed one hour the closure of subways), fast, secure ...

In town yes, in the countryside, it would already be necessary for public transport to exist before discussing their schedules

Some ideas (for the bike for example)

We are told: ride a bicycle. Very good, but how many cities have bicycle lanes? In Paris, many have been created but they are constantly blocked by parked vehicles. Result: you have to disengage, which is very dangerous. Vehicles on a bicycle lane => Immediate removal of the vehicle, immediate withdrawal of the license.
And then, once arrived at work: I station where my bike? Because if it's to make me fly, not great. Or take the rain, the cold ...
=> Obligation for all companies to offer as many bicycle spaces as there are parking spaces + showers (you sweat when cycling) ...

Totally agree with all that.

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Offer them an offer of public transport later at night (example: Paris has just postponed one hour the closure of subways), fast, secure ...

In town yes, in the countryside, it would already be necessary for public transport to exist before discussing their schedules

To improve public transit service in some neighborhoods or underserviced communities, communities have created on-demand transportation services. That is to say that a minibus or a car will only pass if you ask by phone.
There are several types of transport on demand:

- prefixed services are lines with prefixed schedules and routes, as on a normal bus line. Generally these lines are in correspondence with the regular lines of the bus network.

- The virtual lines correspond to lines with flexible schedules and routes and only working on request.

- Door-to-door services within a defined area. A car or minibus picks you up at your place and takes you to your destination.


http://www.destineo.fr/fr/rubriques-pri ... tentid=414

[Toine]

He looks interesting this Jean-Pierre Petit.

[solaircool]

to start an old vehicle is less polluting to recycle, I take my example I have a multi-fuel engine that can receive oil, diesel, and other fuels that does not make modern vehicles and to drive the nail troubleshooting without a PC and no proprietary software

the coefficient of car manufacturers on a vehicle is from 2.6 to 3.2 is a lot

I wish that young people learn very quickly to drive because the old ones are also dangerous ...

LPG for many years has disappeared
EXAMPLE dom-tom never exist

who will tell me that catalytic converters are not polluting with lambda radioactive ionization probes and I do not develop for short

How to believe such stupidity France sells biofuel vehicles banned by the same French in Brazil and you have surely seen the new regulation of biofuels

http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/WAspad/Un ... DD0670030A

[crispus]

When will a big French company start electric vehicles? La Poste had to do it, I do not know where it is. Info?
Question stupid: why EDF does not roll to the electric?

I remember two old conversations:

The first with a former mechanic on a fleet of EDF vehicles:
On arrival the 4L of the service commonly consumed 30 l / 100 km. After investigation, some staff (including executives!) Were refueling their personal vehicle indicating the number of a van EDF ... The pump attendant offered a discount to his predecessor and everyone was happy ... Except the subscribers.

The second, I want it from a GPL installer:
some PTT / EDF agents, having taken the habit of siphoning gasoline from company cars, systematically broke down those equipped with LPG monocarburation, to take a gasoline version "in repair".
Which gave the LPG a disastrous reputation in its infancy!

But of course it was a long time ago, now we only find honest people

But it is true that apart from siphoning fuel from the heating tank, an electric vehicle is difficult to divert for personal use.

Happy Holidays to all !

[solaircool]

edf the information is true example of IDF chatoux, dijon, marseille,

but do not forget that vehicles explode and pass over in silence ........ with LPG

[gegyx]

Wolinsky / Paris Match - 3005

[zac]

1 / Prohibit minors driving motor vehicles with explosion engines Very good idea. In addition to the gains in air and noise pollution, kids will have a harder time "unleashing" electric motors. As a reminder, this type of 2 wheels at a maximum speed limited to 45km / h by law. Have you ever seen a lot of them going at this speed?
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Hello

on this point being biker I do not agree at all, the limitation to 45 is stupid and extremely dangerous for moped riders.

For two reasons the first (contrary to what some say Ayatholla and / or gateux) it is not the speed that is dangerous, but the speed differences between vehicles and people who do anything but driving when they are driving. So 45 is insufficient, it takes a minimum of 80km / h to fit safely in traffic.

secondly, it induces dangerous behaviors and excess speed, induced by the lack of power and therefore the will to keep the momentum (there is to see the number of cyclists who stop at the red lights).

In addition to delaying the learning of driving, we are going to get a generation of disabled people who will later be extremely dangerous on the road. When you scratched your knees 6 years on a bike you understand 20ansn't throw at 200km / h.

Then, you who are against the unbridling, it is 10 times easier to put horses in an electric motor than in a thermal.

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