Paris in the snow, snow, snow ...

[Gaston]

Personally I would never dare to ride on snow or ice with ordinary tires.
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We can perfectly ride all year round in winter tires.

Finally ... It depends on the regions.

I ride all year round on a "summer" tire since it only freezes 3 or 4 mornings a year (and not every year).
When to the snow ... the last fall dates from 2 years and she held 4 hours ...

Personally, I would never dare to ride on heated pitch over 50 ° by the sunshine of July with winter tires ...

[Christophe]

Personally, I would never dare to ride on heated pitch over 50 ° by the sunshine of July with winter tires ...

It's not that it's risky the tire will not "melt" and it will hold the road well (on the contrary, you will end up with very soft tires so excellent grip, competition type) but the wear will be quite terrible: 4 to 5 times faster I would say, I experienced it a few years ago as I just said ...

Me I Goure?

[Leo Maximus]

Not really noticed any premature wear. In summer, I often go in the mountains, the conditions are sometimes wintry, it can snow in July, which is not uncommon. Fortunately, I have "winter" tires. Back down into the valley, the tar can exceed 70 ° (measured with my thermometer) and the tires behave very well. We have made considerable progress. The Michelin Latitude Alpin are remarkable.
But that quality can vary from one manufacturer to another, I have no doubt.

[Christophe]

Yes Leo, that it "sticks" well in summer I believe you, that's why I did not understand Gaston's remark! Let's wait for his answer ...

But if you roll like that since 15 years is normal that you can not judge the premature wear: there have been some innovations since 15 years anyway ...

Your next train, try the 4 seasons ... It's the same price, why deprive yourself?

A 4 season tire is, I believe, a tire with a winter profile but with a rather summer rubber ...

[chatelot16]

I think on the ice, the real ... It's damn in all cases eh!

yes snow tires do not work miracles after freezing rain

it had happened to me in the angouleme about spending an afternoon repairing the mechanics in a shed, and the rain was a funny noise, not usual ...

the evening out, impossible to walk ... ice rink complete! solution, put the chains that were stored in the wheel of help for years without ever serving since I was in angouleme ... a besançon it served more often

the chain on the ice makes a tank noise ... it does not control the direction perfectly but at least it masters the speed we can climb the odds and not get carried away by the descent ... and this I kept the chain for several days or the vergals has duration

remark that makes me laugh said by some Parisian politician: we can not have snowplow to serve once every 5 years ... and then the security equipment is just useful in exceptional cases ... when it does not serve he does not eat bread, he remains available for the case or ... unless we make choices of bad equipment like truck change and buy new trucks can not use the old snowplow

[Leo Maximus]

Yes Leo, that it "sticks" well in summer I believe you, that's why I did not understand Gaston's remark! Let's wait for his answer ...

But if you roll like that since 15 years is normal that you can not judge the premature wear: there have been some innovations since 15 years anyway ...

Your next train, try the 4 seasons ... It's the same price, why deprive yourself?

A 4 season tire is, I believe, a tire with a winter profile but with a rather summer rubber ...

Already done. As I wrote in my previous post, the Pirelli 4 seasons is fine but it has its limits, so I had to use 2 or 3 trains.

Finally I switched to winter tires at Michelin and Bridgestone. Other brands in winter tires I do not know what it's worth, I have not tried. It must at least use a train to make an opinion.

I do not have any favorite brands and there can be the worst and the best in the same brand.

[Christophe]

I do not have any favorite brands and there can be the worst and the best in the same brand.

When I looked for mine there is 3 months (see this topic: nouveaux-transports/montage-2-pneus-4-saisons-goodyear-vector-4-seasons-g2-avec-2-pneus-ete-t15410.html) I first went on the Goodyear Vector to fall back on the Nokian, better noted finally by the specialized press and a little cheaper ...

Otherwise, to choose a tire, there is this excellent database: http://www.pneu-test.com/pneus_tout_temps/index.html

[Leo Maximus]

An edifying video on youtube that compares summer and winter tires on packed snow / ice:

A 2: 45: The Clio in summer tires is unable to climb the slope while the one in winter tire arrives without difficulty at the top.

3: 38: The 3008 in summer tires is unable to maneuver on ... the dish to align at the start!

[Leo Maximus]

Winter tires all year round wear out a bit faster, but in the end it costs less.

For there to be a burst it is really necessary to make an abnormal use, overload, under inflation, excessive wear.

[Christophe]

When you say "Ice" I don't agree: no tire holds up!

It should be said more often because it may be the cause of overconfidence and therefore accident!

On snow, even with winter tires you have to drive carefully because a plate of ice is always possible ...