this subject is not meant to be a biblical theology course and this one sentence would require a whole page to be dismantled from some of its counter truths, but let's move on. (for the record, not only Jews were persecuted at this sad time and euthanized, everything that did not conform to the Arian criteria went to the pan: Jewish or not!)In the torah the "chosen people" or "people of priests" ie the Jewish people, must set an example to the world, a world which should follow the laws arising from the Torah through religious currents such as Noachism for example. ...
.. that has resulted in 5000 years of persecution of the Jewish people, the most atrocious in contemporary times ...
Jewish messianism somehow the way we interpret it revolves around a land: Israel, of a people: Hebrews, and of a final spiritual leader: the Machiah (himself Jewish).
It is a Judeo-centered concept.
Precisely not! You are confusing (but it is forgivable you are not the only one) the bottom and the form.
So when, well-intentioned, David wants to build a temple to his god. He opposes this by saying that God does not live in a manmade house and that a simple tent is enough to manifest its presence and yet a temple will be well built like the surrounding idolatrous nations. When Israel wants a king, as the surrounding nations still, God warns them against this form, already, of idolatry and they give themselves a king ... appointed by god himself, etc. The history of the Hebrews is a series of confusions between the divine will and that of humans. But all nations have land (they are first and foremost "peasants") and this group of men and women also aspires to a country of their own. Hence the invasion of Palestine, fire and blood. This land does not belong to them any more than that of all the invaders of the world and therefore is not more sacred. But their aspiration is comprehensible, human and that is what is troubling for a non-biblical between the expressed divine will, the human will and the appearance of a god who would yield to this dust in the universe that are humans.
This is perfectly logical because it is a religion concerning the Hebrews, on the other hand the causal chain caused by the emergence of competing currents (Christianity and Islam) and its worldwide adherence has finally transported the original concepts and give a particular historical feeling towards the Jewish people, which has largely favored anti-Semitism throughout the ages.
That's school talk, not biblical! When one wants to use a valid reference it is at the source that must be drawn, not content with historico-arranged speech for the cause of one or the other. The, said, Christianity is and has never been a current rival to Judaism since fully "Jewish" too. Moreover, this term Christianity is a historical reality. On the other hand, within Judaism itself, various currents existed elsewhere in the NT and "Judeo-Christianity" is only a variant of the messianic hope announced by Moses. We must not mix everything between history and culture ... late elsewhere!
When dealing with anti-Semitism itself the subject is rather complex and can not be summed up in a single opposition to Christianity and Islam.
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Religions (of which atheism is a part too) it's the same thing, since the time they are in circulation they become the reference and few people ask themselves whether these religions are in good condition. operation.
This is the danger!
That's fine, but there is danger for any philosophy that deviates from the standard model. Then there is the game of influences where what was minority and "dangerous" becomes majority and it is the old majority that becomes a danger ... for those who hold power. It's typical of religions and politics " Nothing new under the sun ". But here again it is the human nature that expresses itself there and therefore nothing messianic either.
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Hence the question: where is the relationship with THE messianism, the true, not with its diversion?
Messianisms contemporary developed from religious influences from the "religions of the Books".
Spiritual concepts were quickly redacted to be replaced by new beliefs (the working class, the Aryan race or economic growth, advanced technologies etc ...)
It's in order of things. You know this game which consists in whispering in the neighbor's ear a sentence and which is distorted at the end of transmission and that makes everyone laugh, of course, but only the first and sometimes the second are not in the deformation , the deviation.
Messianism, like all isms, is one of them, but this is where the rub is that as soon as it undergoes the first deformation, it ceases to be what it is supposed to represent: Messiah, the one who brings the answer to the deep aspirations of those who wish for a better world, here below, and of which they are the "messengers" and the actors. Thus ecology and "decay" are really "messianic" messages among others and dependent, again, on their time.
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You are a thread that is unfamiliar to me. Clearly you quote the bad apples from the basket, I see those that are good for the consumption and health of its consumers.
This is a subject on the decline and not on the history of messianism in the Torah.
My original remark was about the messianism of growth, ideological beacon to contemporary economic "exponentialism", let's not mix everything up!
I understood it correctly, but we can not use a term whose meaning is wrong as we use it today and whose meaning is very peculiar to the understanding of a large part of the world's population.We must call a cabbage, a cabbage, not a carrot! So also use another terminology that does not create confusion as in pedophilia and pedosexuality whose news is fond. Or, to stop with pseudo biblical references: sodomization!
