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by Lietseu » 09/12/09, 15:26

citro wrote:
yoananda wrote:They do not care about pollution, otherwise they would have introduced environmental standards a long time ago. But that kills the business.
Solutions there are plenty of taxes ...

And what's more, we're going to get paid for air now ...
Everything must be marketable for them. That's the goal.

Do not fall into the panel.
Not here, whereas here there are real solutions.

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by Lietseu » 09/12/09, 16:32

Here on the other hand I do not go away, dear Yonananda

"And it is above all a great way to:
* do not ask yourself the real ecological questions
* to make a beautiful speculative and ultra lucrative market
* put in place control policies, population monitoring
* not to touch the real polluters

You have not answered my arguments, nor even asked a question about the real problems that I claim to denounce without naming them.
You just take a line that you did not like and completely ignore the rest of the message. In doing so you are satisfied with the red cloth that is agitated to divert attention.
So I wonder about your intentions when you answer me like this. Are you journalists ??? lol "


You suddenly seem to come out of the thigh of Jupiter, friend Bucheron who does not like trolls, will probably soon pull your ears ...

As for me, I will only say that I have the impression that the essential thing escapes some of us, and it is:

How can we accept to live in peace (with our "conscience") when millions of people, women, children, men, old people are EVERYDAY, dying of hunger, thirst and misery, while the (wealthy) parents of some of us have sucked on the third world :?:
to the point that they will never have to work again, neither they nor their great-grandchildren : Shock:

That oil tankers and mineral killers have waged wars and unscrupulous governments, to make more money ...

If our land starts having a fever, that at the same time humans (a little less crazy than average) cries to the wolf announcing a warming that even a stupor of the mountains of the moon could see, should not we see AN OPPORTUNITY MAGNIFICENT TO CHANGE SOCIETY AND FINISH WITH THE ASSASSINE LOGIC THAT CONSISTS OF PILLING EVERYONE AND FOR ALL ITS PROFIT? : Evil:

I join the Dalai Lama, who told the Chinese that they had the disease of money at all costs (that they did not even have to sting from the "whites" because they too have this terrible disease. ) and that this could be the reason for their future loss.

Your friend Borleau, your smiling minister, said something interesting last night when he spoke of a "world control of ecology" (for my part, I have always dreamed of a world government in of a wise man who would lead humans towards a more smiling destiny, yes, it's utopian and so, do you have anything against utopias?)


CAR WE CAN NOT ENRICH WITHOUT END AND WITHOUT LAW, ON THE BACK OF OTHERS WITHOUT PAYING THE CONSEQUENCES ONE DAY


NO MORE THAN WE CAN ACCEPT TO RUIN THE PLANET WHO WE NOURISHED IN THE SAME WAY ...

And, please, spare me your stupid criticism which consists of telling me that I too am a recipient of this despicable manna ... I did not act in this sense and have no people in my family that has blood on their hands, so no money, huge coffers and properties, luxury yachts and billions of dollars of fortune : Evil:
My jeans are not branded (fuck with that) and my shirts are not wild silk tonkin highlands :x




That said, without prejudging the respectability of our friend econologists, of course : Mrgreen:

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by Christophe » 10/12/09, 11:11

https://www.econologie.com/climate-gate- ... -4174.html

Watch from 3 / 4 (before it talks about other things)
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by Christophe » 10/12/09, 11:17

highflyaddict wrote:The orders of magnitude are not the same!

From memory, the total stock from fossil fuels is about 2 000 billion PET, or 2.10 ^ 10.

The total ocean volume is about 1,5 billions of Km3 or 1,5.10 ^ 18 tons of fleet.

8 orders of magnitude of difference .... so to speak that our direct impact on the cycle overall water is negligible.


Yes, but :

a) I trust you on the numbers but I do not see what you're comparing the ... TEP with fleet Tonnes?

b) I just wanted to say that we are talking about CO2 but fossils also produce water ... what we always forget ...

c) We are talking about water in the atmosphere and not liquid. Jancovici calculated that the emissions of "fossil water" compared to water from evaporation from the oceans, if I remember correctly, 0.05% (value to be checked if kk1 is voluntary), which is far from a 10 ^ 8 order of magnitude !! And I am not sure that a final on the global climate and knowing the major impact that water has on the climate, it will be that negligible ...
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by highfly-addict » 10/12/09, 14:08

Hi Christopher.

a) Well yes, it is the combustion of these PET that generates water, so the order of magnitude must be about the same, since roughly the oxidation of N atoms in an alkane generates N + 1 water molecules.

b) yes, ok but see answer previous, it's peanuts.

c) As the water cycle is short, the water in the atmosphere is found very quickly in the oceans or is collected on the continents (storage in sheet or runoff or evapotranspiration).
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by Christophe » 10/12/09, 14:19

Yes you are right but for c) the fact is that we constantly generate this "surplus" of water evaporation ... and therefore as long as we consume fossil we will maintain + 0.05% water vapor in air in addition to the "natural" cycle.

Not sure that the current warming accelerates the evaporation of the oceans by more than 0.05%!

One thing is for sure: this amount of water created will add up with that "over-evaporated" due to heating.

The recent intensification of tropical storms (both in "quality" and in "quantity") is a consequence of this overevaporation ...
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by Other » 11/12/09, 04:57

Hello
Lietseu wrote:
former oceanic wrote:The weather is not warming up. We harvest earlier and earlier (3 weeks), but that's because the planet is getting "smarter" and the vines are going earlier.
My pear tree is 2 blooming but it's normal because today is 2 for the price of one.
The glaciers are melting everywhere (-25m per year on the one giving birth to the Ganges) but it's because the Ganges must give more water because there are more Indians so the smart planet adapts itself.
Those who are against global warming, instead of warming up, grab a gun, put it on your temple and cool down ... Go make a move for the planet and support the gun lobby by buying your last bullet.


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Normally mid October everything is frozen and in November the snow arrives, she just arrived the 9 December ?? no it does not warm up ???

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by Lietseu » 13/12/09, 15:01

hi Andrew :D

Hey, yes everything is fine ma'am marquise, everything is fine, everything is fine, tsoin-tsoin!


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Pure PUB my post: https://www.econologie.com/forums/j-accepte- ... t8934.html


Go see it, it's amazing and yet ... everything is said!

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by Ahmed » 13/12/09, 16:03

Would not he like to change the chorus better?
"Hey, yes everything is going very well madam the ice floe, everything is going very well, everything is going very well, take care!"
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by bham » 13/12/09, 18:53

Hi Andrew, tell me, the salad grows in the wild at home?
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