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by Christophe » 08/12/09, 10:34

yoananda you should go back to school ... the other clever one (he is a financier by profession I bet) pulls out a title to death me the knot and he thinks he is causing a "sensation" with so I find him a counter argument of "same level" that's all ...

Moreover, assuming (something I do not believe) that neither the CO2 nor the other gases of human origin (for that is where it is coming from: no human responsibility) is at the origin of the Warming how long do you think that growth, as we know it in the twentieth century, that is to say essentially based on exhaustion and looting of natural resources, is possible?

Be careful, I'm not talking about decrease (I don't really like these guys) but ANOTHER growth where what would be "looted" would be counted! Is it too much to ask to change this shitty GDP, the basis of all economic decisions in our world?

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Otherwise, if I do not agree on the innocence of CO2, I agree with you thatit's not just CO2 in life and we tend to do it too much! We are talking almost more than that ...

And yes, it's a way of HUNTING other problems, I notice it frequently on forums (especially when it becomes an ultra marketing argument to sell, for example, "clean" cars because they release just 20% less CO2).

You talk about CO2 from breathing: it does not intervene directly in the greenhouse effect because it comes from the plant carbon cycle and it stays in the plant cycle. But indirectly the person who eats, for example, more meat than another will reject more GHG via his diet ... but it is not the CO2 of his breath!

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by Christophe » 08/12/09, 10:41

ps: the author is worse than a financier, he is a lobbyist and he says it himself in his CV: http://www.agoravox.fr/auteur/vincent-benard

Vincent benard

Vincent Bénard is since May 2008 president of the institute Hayek (Brussels) and since 2005 collaborator of the institute Turgot (Paris), think tanks dedicated to disseminating the liberal humanistic thought in the French language.


A "liberal humanist" say so !! Interesting that makes me smile gently and think, like all of you I think, of other "anti-nomic alliances" such as, of course, "national socialism" ... apparently he has, via his institute, a lot of links with the USA ... to better disseminate their ultra liberal doctrines here? There is surely a little of that ...

The banner of his "blog site" is also very explicit, I want to be free, I want to fly as I want ....

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Hop direction BIN !! : Cheesy:

ps: http://www.fahayek.org/ instructive...
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by Christophe » 08/12/09, 10:59

Last thing for those who would be tempted to venerate these kind of guys, I bring them back to the following definition: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence

Intelligence is also admitted to be what it actually allows: adaptability. Also the practical intelligence is the ability to act of adapted way to situations.


Is it an "adaptability" to pronounce the infinite and exponential growth in a finite world? You will guess the rest ...

In this regard, I would like to know what the "neo-con Bernard" thinks ofPermian extinction? : Cheesy:
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by rescwood » 08/12/09, 14:02

It's not hard to understand ...

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by yoananda » 08/12/09, 17:16

Just Christophe,

we have 2 real problems on this planet:
1 / pollution
2 / resource depletion

of course, the 2 are connected.

What is the relationship with CO2?
none according to me.
Anthropogenic warming is not proven whatever they say.
The role of CO2 even less, even if it causes a greenhouse effect.
The climate is much more complicated than a simple rate of CO2.
http://www.naturavox.fr/Rechauffement-c ... maine.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/358953.stm

On the other hand, it is very practical to introduce a new tax.
Tax that will change what to 2 real problems previous?
NOTHING AT ALL
Nor even the problem of CO2 elsewhere!
http://lachute.over-blog.com/article-co ... 91323.html

So yes, I think disassembling the CO2 scam is important. If this article cited above does it wrong or for the wrong reason, then it does not matter, there are others.
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by sen-no-sen » 08/12/09, 17:29

Climate change is in any case on the way to becoming a "new religion" with its Catholics, Orthodox, and ... Protestants, history repeats itself indefinitely ...

The problem is that each group is positioned in a category and from there manipulates to impose its truth.
For those who know the story of the blind and the elephant in the dark ...
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by Christophe » 08/12/09, 17:47

yoananda wrote:What is the relationship with CO2?
none according to me.


Bigre! So should we understand that fossil resources do not take CO2 according to you?

yoananda wrote:On the other hand, it is very practical to introduce a new tax.
Tax that will change what to 2 real problems previous?
NOTHING AT ALL


If it will change as it is more expensive, we will waste less ... and this is just the beginning ...

I do not know how many km you have to go to work for example but imagine that you have to pay 6 € your L of fuel?

yoananda wrote:So yes, I think disassembling the CO2 scam is important.


Scam? Immediately the big words ... so what? So what?

Frankly, but what is it that the CO2 is responsible or not responsible for global warming because if all these measures to tax the CO2 can burn less rapidly fossil resources ben is essential no?

And it would already be a step forward to limit the depletion of resources and a victory for future generations and maybe even ours!

But I can well imagine that "liberal humanists" have a hard time putting themselves in the shoes of others and their children ... : Evil: : Evil:

Taxing a by-product of energy is easier to swallow to the people than to tax a little more energy ...


But you would have said "carbon tax scam" I would have already agreed more with you ...

Here is 2 link for you:

a) Climategate: https://www.econologie.com/climagate-l-a ... -4173.html

b) The CEC / Carbon Tax: https://www.econologie.com/forums/taxe-carbo ... t7762.html (I think that everything has already been said and you will see that I am not necessarily FOR ... I am even against if it is applied only to France ...)
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by sen-no-sen » 08/12/09, 18:07

Christophe wrote:Frankly, but what is it that the CO2 is responsible or not responsible for global warming because if all these measures to tax the CO2 can burn less rapidly fossil resources ben is essential no?

And it would already be a step forward to limit the depletion of resources and a victory for future generations and maybe even ours!


You say the essential Christophe, but apparently many people do not understand this point of view, he prefers to look at the finger that points to the moon rather than the moon itself, just to change nothing!
The liberal humanists who are they ?: uh: Exxo .., Tota ..,
: Lol:
They simply want to release oppressed oils by centuries of geological confinement!
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by Ahmed » 08/12/09, 19:11

To the two problems pointed out by yoanandait is imperative to add a third: the folly of ends pursued by rational means ...
In reality, the latter would be sufficient since the other two are only the consequences. : Cry:
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by yoananda » 09/12/09, 10:13

Yes I was a little fast: scam tax carbon.

Do not worry, it will be global, if you are afraid for France.

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Yes, I maintain, what is the relationship between CO2 and warming?
I'm talking about the Earth's climate, and not a greenhouse in a jar ...
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