Is Logan greener than the Prius?

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by Did67 » 24/01/08, 17:30

Targol wrote:In addition, Maximus, if you read correctly, I need a means of transport to go to work but also to take my family (a woman, 2 children and a cat) in WE at step-mom or vacation in Brittany at my Pôpa.
And here, the 2 wheels or the smart ....


I think you have to be careful not to confuse "low cost" and "green".

We can always quibble, but from a sustainable development point of view, Prius or Logan, it's kif-kif: a medium-range car, with a precautionary driver - light foot on the pedal - about 5 l fuel mostly fossil with 100 km and about 110 / 120 g CO² of fossil origin with km ... After, one can quibble with infinity on these differences, on the gray energies (to bring back a Prius of Japan on a huge boat who brings 10 000, spread over the life of a car, I bet it's peanuts!). (small reminder, to locate the orders of magnitude: a car, 30 000 km per year, 5l / 100 km, it is about 1 500 l per year, 15 000 l of fuel on 10 years).

What is certain: a Prius out of jerky traffic, urban traffic style, it is of no great interest: there will be little braking, so the batteries will be charged almost exclusively from the on-board engine ; and with all the losses linked to transformations and circuits, regulations, you might as well ride in direct drive, so in Logan! Someone said so. "Green" has become a cream pie argument. The assholes, do you count!

(NB: ditto for "organic" when it comes to food).

In your case, what seems to me worth thinking about: a small car for your regular trips alone (eg a Citroën C3 natural gas compressor with you if you live a pavilion connected) + rental of a car to leave all ... or the train ????

This does not answer the debate: how to travel by car in a green way. It would take fewer cars, a little bit of everything ... It does not matter if Prius or Logan.

Last point: the engine of the Logan Diesel is the 1.5 DCI mounted in most of the mid-range Renault Modus, Clio, Kangoo ... It does not pollute more, nor less in the Logan (for the chipoteurs: the very slight variations of weight and aerodynamics - which are surely lower than the differences between a nerve driver and a cool driver).
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by Leo Maximus » 24/01/08, 21:00

Did67 wrote:What is certain: a Prius out of jerky traffic, urban traffic style, it is of no great interest: there will be little braking, so the batteries will be charged almost exclusively from the on-board engine ; and with all the losses linked to transformations and circuits, regulations, you might as well ride in direct drive, so in Logan! Someone said so. "Green" has become a cream pie argument. The assholes, do you count!

Of course, the Prius II has never been adapted to the French market. Here, the queens of the macadam are the big German diesel and we do not respect the speed limits extraordinarily high compared to those of Japan. Toyota sells ten 4 X 4 diesel for a single Prius.
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by Christophe » 02/02/08, 20:53

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by jean63 » 03/02/08, 20:48

The LOGAN in the top10 of the best-selling cars in France:

http://jt.france2.fr/20h/index-fr.php?jt=0

2-02-02 JX FR2008

click on "The success of the Logan"
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by andre-34 » 03/02/08, 22:20

Yep ... All right ...
But all these cars are stuffed with electronics that it does not offer guarantees of duration. A failure of a general calculator or injection on a HDI stupid will cost several thousand euros (my neighbors have just had an invoice of ... 5000 € for a Citroën Picasso which is worth the same as the argus ).
From 7 / 8 any such breakdown on a car of a medium segment implies a break in the case.
Our technical control adds to it and now involves the examination of the airbags.
What will happen when you spend there with a 10 golf and 8 airbags cartridge to change? Broken!

How to design cars that are likely to become disposable and have cost energy to manufacture and recycle more than a standard car more bulky but oh so more sustainable?

The Dacia DCi also includes a high-pressure injection and calculating part that must cost the skin of the buttocks to change.
In case of a glitch and given its lower price this car may also leave very quickly to scrap ...

I'm not sure that imposing techno more and more sophisticated to consume less does not cost more expensive ...

The only hello is to now look for a different fuel from the petrol and put the package on it.
The rest seems to be almost lobbying manufacturers to make us buy more cars by making us look at the straw of our immediate conso but not the beam of the overall cost ...
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by andre-34 » 03/02/08, 22:23

There is even a study that shows that some 4x4, much more durable than other cars would ultimately be more eco-friendly than many others that consume less day-to-day including all costs: direct and indirect (ore, processing, reccycling, commercialization network, moving people who manufacture, who sells who repairs etc ...)
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by Louhac » 04/03/08, 10:26

I react very little to these forums and this subject dates a little, but allow me all the same to post information concerning the choice of a vehicle providing a good compromise between polluting emissions and possibility of transport. I myself did a lot of research and my choice fell on the skoda fabia break (the commercial term is combi) with a TDI engine of 80 hp, we are at 120g / km and 4,5 L per 100 than this either on the new (02/2008) or the old model and the trunk on the new model is 480 liters (a little less on the old one) and the towable load is one ton. It is also available in a "green line" version (optimized to lower consumption) which goes down to 109g / km and 4L at 100, but which is not available for the moment in France, but in Belgium well.
There is a priori reliability and longevity towards the vehicles of the VAG group and the reviews that I could find on an internet on the reliability of this model are laudatory. This is what makes me prefer to Clio estate whose benefits are close but has the disadvantage of being a Renault, I paid the price of a fiat by ignoring the reputation of the brands and I n I do not intend to start again. It's not to advertise, it's just the result of my research as far as I'm concerned I hope my old fiat will hold until the model comes out.
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by elephant » 04/03/08, 10:46

skoda fabia break (the commercial term is combi) with a TDI engine of 80 hp, we are at 120g / km and 4,5 L per 100 whether on the new (02/2008) or the old model and the trunk on the new model is 480 liters (a little less on the old one) and the towable load is one ton. It is also available in a "green line" version (optimized to lower consumption) which goes down to 109g / km and 4L at 100, but which is not available for the moment in France, but in Belgium well.


Vehicle very nice and very cute, that I had the opportunity to try. But the dealer - who is one of my clients - told me that the actual consumption / price increase difference of the regular with the green line was really not financially profitable.
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by gegyx » 04/03/08, 10:52

The Fabia Combi is available (February 2008)
70 diesel engines ch, 85 ch and 105ch.

http://www.skoda.fr/skodaFr/actu/index.htm#


(Not much room for the driver's feet ...)
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by Christophe » 04/03/08, 11:02

elephant wrote:the actual consumption / price increase difference of the ordinary with the green line was really not financially profitable.


Uh she is sold how much more expensive for a motor ... restrained by simple reporgrammation of the calculator (I bet)?
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