Crazy idea against CO2?

[Other]

Hello

For Jean63

Yes some old continuous fires were rather dangerous, because the setting was done with the key of draw, at the exit of the fumes. So the stove was not in depression. These stoves have been banned, but there are still some.
Today, VMC often prevents the draw from being done properly.
Your parents knew how to use their stove, they put it in slow motion only when the stove and the fireplace were hot, otherwise you would not be there to talk about it. it's still a know-how that has been a little lost ...

You forget to edit that in the middle of the butterfly there was a hole of 60mm or more in case a tarla closes the key completely!

Andre

[robbery]

Yes, good! If I am with you on this forumis to discuss this thing (otherwise I'm on the forum of the ecological pact to talk about other subjects).

Safety is paramount. When the descent of the smoke is done over a short distance, it doesn't seem to be too serious. Obviously, I'm only at the research stage, and this kind of equipment, to my knowledge, is not installed in any house.
On the other hand, what I have seen is that a lot of people try to tilt their metal heating ducts to increase the exchange surface by putting several end to end inside the room to be heated. . Sometimes the fumes are finally evacuated through a window.

The imagination of the inhabitants who are cold is overflowing or it is the opposite: a fireplace that consumes a lot of wood to heat the outside in the end!
I have never seen fireplaces capable of burning logs vertically; I heard about it.
On the other hand, I have come across quite a few water heaters using wood energy.
Controlled combustion, whether of wood or another fuel, is important. As far as I'm concerned, the flue (its evacuation) is part of the heating appliance, and we tend to focus too much on the fireplace only.
According to oral sources (it's not very reliable!) 50% of the energy is recoverable in the flue.

[buga]

well..just watch old movies...
very old movies...
the stove was placed in the middle of the classes of students...
then the pipe went horizontally, a little higher than the height of a man, towards the wall...
then, it passed through a fireplace located "in" the house (and not hidden in the walls), to provide a little heat on the upper floor when there was one...
these people were less educated, but had a more developed practical sense than most of "us men today"... who rely for the most part on car manufacturers, architects, merchants of all kinds, for us provide what is "useful" to us...
big stupidity....
the "merchants of the temple" sell what they are interested in selling to us....
not really what really interests us...

[Targol]

You forget to edit that in the middle of the butterfly there was a hole of 60mm or more in case a tarla closes the key completely!

Andre

Hi André,

Maybe in Quebec the draft reduction keys are sold with a hole in the middle, but I can assure you that in France, when they were sold, there was no hole and you could completely plug the pipe.

Otherwise, to recover some of the calories from the fumes, there were systems at the outlet of the stoves where the pipe, rather than rising directly towards the wall, split into several ducts which met flush with the wall. It formed a kind of radiator like those of a hot water central heating system, except that there, it was the fumes that served as coolant.
I can assure you, having tested, that it works well (the pipes are hot when the stove is hot).

[ThierrySan]

the "merchants of the temple" sell what they are interested in selling to us....
not really what really interests us...

I totally agree with you, Buga!

[Christophe]

Another craziness that is not mine:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/345290/building_the_amazing_steam_candle/

Uh it's not a joke it's a water-steam engine (I'm not sure there is steam) ... some even call it "water engine"

In any case, the video is interesting, I had already seen a small toy boat operate on the same principle.

[Christophe]

the "merchants of the temple" sell what they are interested in selling to us....
not really what really interests us...

I totally agree with you, Buga!

+1 also and I would add that the abundance of energy in the XNUMXst century has not encouraged the optimization of energy consumption (at all levels: transport, housing and industry).

In other words: "we" (well rather "they") have chosen the "ease".

[Rabbit]

After a few moments of reflection, I tell myself that the system of
the reverse path is not so bad. Certainly this does not modify
in no way the production of CO or CO2 during combustion. But
by making sure to recover the tars / creosote,
recover a maximum of calories. As well as the reinjection of tars
and creosote in the combustion chamber of the stove, this will allow
to globally reduce carbon emissions since the
combustion will be more efficient.
It is sure that the design of the stove is as important if not more
as the maturation and use of this system.

[robbery]

Thank you Lapin for this ncouragement. My nickname is Jeannot, which means we know all about carrots.
No, without laughing, I think it must be possible to make a complete turn to the fumes contained in the casing (here aluminum) so that a second combustion takes place.

Who says one trick, says several...
In my opinion, it is the combustion itself that provides the power to push the fumes.
Where are you pushing them? Ultimately outwards or towards the physical sequestration of carbon, in the event that we choose not to allow plants to benefit from it.

You liked the toy that turns in his glass, you will probably also love the candles that give electricity.
Some may know this video!
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/400937/candle_power_who_needs_batteries/

You can read the comments (mainly in English) on the same site. Hello ladies!

[jean63]

the stove was placed in the middle of the classes of students...
then the pipe went horizontally, a little higher than the height of a man, towards the wall...
then, it passed through a fireplace located "in" the house (and not hidden in the walls), to provide a little heat on the upper floor when there was one...

I knew that, my father during a very cold winter (maybe 1956?) had installed a Godin in the middle of the living room with a vertical pipe outlet then a 90°C elbow then a long horizontal length slightly rising then a 2nd bend at 90°C and a pipe entering the final vertical chimney flue.

My memory: it heated the whole room enormously (better than a central heating radiator) because the pipe was very hot over its entire length....and it represented a hell of a heating surface.........but the smoke was still heading upwards (despite a false flat rising several meters throughout the crossing of the room).

It was the same at school with the stove at the back of the class...and the dunces right next to it

I think that at the time we weren't rolling on gold, so the slightest source of heat was good to take, which means that I don't believe in this very dangerous system for human life proposed by jaf (and animal too by the way) because carbon monoxide CO = DEAD.

As well as the reinjection of tars
and creosote in the combustion chamber of the stove, this will allow
to globally reduce carbon emissions since the
combustion will be more efficient

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Well, it's funny, it reminds me of the very famous EGR valve which recycles unburned diesel fuel and causes the well-known problems now (see topics on this EGR valve in this forum).....I will not elaborate.