Extinction of anthropogenic mass ... it left my kiki!

[Ahmed]

Above we had talked about robots: it is quite fascinating to notice the convergence between reality and the ideal representation.

The evolution of the modes of work from the pre-industrial era to Taylorism (and its more recent avatars) leads to the machine-man and his symbolic projection into the machine-man that is the robot.
The more alienation grows, the more the human regresses, the more the machine becomes the norm and the ideal.
By a surprising flashback, the "talking tool" ofAristotle, the slave (modern) resurfaces ...

It is not surprising, as I have already pointed out, that at the beginning of computer science the computer was assimilated to the human brain, and then the terms of comparison were reversed.

To come back to the theme of this thread, it is not the number of humans that poses a problem, but the prodigious civilizational deficit of humanity.

[Janic]

ahmed hello

The evolution of the modes of work from the pre-industrial era to Taylorism (and its more recent avatars) leads to the machine-man and his symbolic projection into the machine-man that is the robot.
The more alienation grows, the more the human regresses, the more the machine becomes the norm and the ideal.
By a surprising flashback, Aristotle's "talking tool", the (modern) slave resurfaces ...

it is quite true, we find this attitude in the human in spare parts like the spare parts that are recovered to the breakage (since one does not manufacture yet independent spare parts, but it is in project) A heart in bad condition and we recover a heart on a human good for the case too, a kidney bell and hop recovery on another human good for the case or on the boyfriend who likes you or on a an individual who has to sell this one to feed his family.
It is already the consideration that the human being is only a set of pieces assembled at the chance of the evolution (still a small blow in passing!), The similarity was transformed into assimilation.

[Janic]

sen no sen hello
you asked last Friday this question:
"Enlighten me therefore from your all-powerful knowledge, I who am a disbeliever! "You may find answers to your question on the interpretation of biblical texts here.
the source of life on France 2 "and the light was" of this Sunday 28-07-2013. you will see the complexity of interpreting a text without mastering the language composing these texts and at the same time its richness and therefore the caution with which it is necessary to read passages translated into a common language.
Good listening!

[sen-no-sen]

Without being able to go further simply. That said, no one can answer it, no more to say that there were only to say that there was none.

The animals are not free of deficiencies, I do not see why the first hominids would have been deprived of them ...

Another mistake of appreciation. Matter is verifiable, anything that is not material (in the usual sense of this term) is not.

I was referring to phenomena described as paranormal ...
Now if we take into account the NDE and the SHV, many "experimenters" have gone beyond the simple framework of checking a beyond (according to them) ...
The observable universe has not emerged from a material substrate either ...

No ! we may be able to explain how these experiences occur: nervous system, hormonal system, etc ... not the reason. Once again, it's all about how, not why! This is why we stick the god label.

And why do you have the question why?
We can also answer that this is related to our nervous system and our conception of the 4D space-time in which we live.
The human being constantly seeking an origin for the observed phenomena, a certain number of cultures simply postulated that God would be the origin of the origins without origin, and that it would stop here ... but that does not change anything to the question departure; and why God in this case?

I have already answered above. Generally, and you're not the only one, there is confusion between manufacturing and use

It is more honest to say that we have no answer than to formulate typically human analogies that do not solve the reality of the phenomenon: the universe is not a manufactured product.

There it's a mouth corner!

Genesis is true in the same way that Roman mythology says true ... by means of discernment and a grid of reading to understand the hidden teachings, otherwise, better to believe in Santa Claus!

[Ahmed]

Sen-no-sen, you write:

The human being constantly looking for an origin to the observed phenomena, a certain number of cultures simply postulated that God would be the origin of the origins without origin, and that it would stop there ... but that does not change anything to the question departure; and why God in this case?

Many questions are unanswered, not only that of the origin of the world, God (or the Gods) corresponds (ent) to X mathematical equations: it is the unknown that makes the equalities balanced.
Unfortunately, and unlike mathematics, this does not make it any easier to solve the problem ... unless we consider that the appearance of a solution is a sufficient solution.

[sen-no-sen]

Sen-no-sen, you write:

The human being constantly looking for an origin to the observed phenomena, a certain number of cultures simply postulated that God would be the origin of the origins without origin, and that it would stop there ... but that does not change anything to the question departure; and why God in this case?

Many questions are unanswered, not only that of the origin of the world, God (or the Gods) corresponds (ent) to X mathematical equations: it is the unknown that makes the equalities balanced.
Unfortunately, and unlike mathematics, this does not make it any easier to solve the problem ... unless we consider that the appearance of a solution is a sufficient solution.

Absolutely!
If some center of wisdom insists on the wish for silence (principle of scow in Hinduism) it's not for nothing.
Intellectual thought simply does not have the means to address the question of questions, which is why some philosophies have left out the idea of ​​God.

[Janic]

sen no sen hello

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No ! we may be able to explain how these experiences occur: nervous system, hormonal system, etc ... not the reason. Once again, it's all about how, not why! This is why we stick the god label.

And why do you have the question why?

Because it is part of the means available to humans, the ability to ask why and few, if any, escapes. If billions are spent to find the origins (at least of the matter that surrounds us) it is because that is why the minds of men are tapping.

We can also answer that this is related to our nervous system and our conception of the 4D space-time in which we live.

Absolutely, just as a split log is linked to an ax and therefore related to our conception of space time: laws of physics, mechanics, biology, etc ... but the reason why do not find his answer! Why did this log split, why did this ax rise in the air and fall back on that log?

The human being constantly seeking an origin for observed phenomena,

See above!

a number of cultures simply postulated that God would be the origin of origins without origin, and that it would stop there ...

as it is postulated that a lumberjack manufactured, then used an ax so that the observed result can be postulated that there was a lumberjack.

but that does not change the original question; and why God in this case?

why a woodcutter? Because we must give a name to the one who handles the axes!
As I said before, we could have called sock or elephant to have a material vision, (and then sock and elephant are already taken!) And as the word remained free we chose the one that, not corresponding to any other concept or product, was considered as the case. So people are gouging their noses at each other for four letters of the alphabet.

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I have already answered above. Generally, and you're not the only one, there is confusion between manufacturing and use

It is more honest to say that we have no answer

You confuse to have an answer (which will be as usual with a human dimension so generally inaccurate because partial) and to ask the question and to suppose from a postulate that the unknown, is not the absence.

rather than formulate typically human analogies

because you know another way of doing things? Whether we like it or not we use a language common to all (in the same culture) and which relies on known, the unknown is by definition, inexpressible and therefore to express this inexpressible we invent new words that cover this unknown (the unknown word itself being an abstraction of the mind)

that do not solve the reality of the phenomenon

Solve what? What human vanity, what pretense, the earthworm that thinks it's a star! A little humility! did the big bang solve the mystery of origins? And yet the astrophysicists, despite their ignorance, look at the after despite their ignorance from the front and I think that none has the vanity to solve the reality of the phenomenon that there is a before.

the universe is not a manufactured product.

On the contrary ! What is a billed product?

The word product can have several meanings:
1. In its most general sense, it refers to the creative result of a human activity: in general a good, but also a service.

In this case the human not being at the origin of the universe, this one is the CREATIVE result of an activity .... not human.

Invoiced: 3 way, manufacture, style, work, execution, way, technique.

So except for involving chance or its equivalent, a structured end product is the result of a creation unlike the entropy principle.

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There it's a mouth corner!

Genesis says true in the same way that Roman mythology says true ...

Except that no Roman or historian will take this mythology (if only by the structure of the texts of this mythology) for history; when to decipher the genesis without theological formation one must be super-balèze.

by means of discernment and a grid of reading to understand the hidden teachings, without that, better to believe you to Santa!

And you have discernment, you have the grid of reading and you are competent to distinguish between history and myth? Champion!

[moinsdewatt]

With warming, marine species migrate to the poles

The Monde.fr | 10.08.2013

How do plants and animals react to the rise of the mercury column? In order to regain the temperatures at which they are acclimated, some move to higher and cooler latitudes, others climb in altitude, when the relief allows it.
These climatic migrations have already been documented by numerous works on terrestrial fauna and flora. For marine species, however, studies have hitherto been fragmented, limited to specific geographical areas or species, while the oceans, which cover 71% of the planet's surface, form its main ecosystem.

Hence the interest of the summary, published on the site of the journal Nature Climate Change, which describes "the global footprint of climate change on marine life". For three years, an international team (Australia, United States, Canada, Germany, United Kingdom, Denmark, Spain and South Africa), funded by the American National Center for Ecological Analysis and Synthesis (NCEAS), scrutinized 1 observations from 735 studies dealing with 208 marine species, whether it concerns the geographical distribution of these species, their abundance, their demography or their biological cycle.

A mass of data covering all oceans - with, however, a predominance of temperate waters in the northern hemisphere - over an average observation time of 41 years, the monitoring extending in some cases to more than three centuries.

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http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2 ... _3244.html

[Christophe]

Article of the day on the sixth mass extinction: http://www.courrierinternational.com/ar ... -en-marche

[Christophe]

To add a layer to the gloom ( Company-and-philosophy / nuitdebout-Malay-en-France-a-spring-french-for-2016-t14700.html )

http://www.levif.be/actualite/belgique/ ... 95795.html

Paul Jorion: "The human race is on the verge of extinction"

Prophet of misfortune, Paul Jorion? Known for having announced the subprime crisis, the Belgian anthropologist predicts this time the end of the human species in two or three generations! Can we still hope for a start?

“It's the punishment! Do penance! The end of time has come!” Proclaims Philippulus in the streets of Brussels, hit by global warming as sudden as it is intense (The Mysterious Star). Three quarters of a century after the scene imagined by Hergé, another prophet with a white beard, Paul Jorion, once again utters the “dong-dong-dong” of the panic drum. In his latest book, The Last One Who Goes Out Turns the Light, the Belgian anthropologist, known to the general public for having been "the man-who-announced-the-subprime-crisis-but-who 'we-did-not-listen,' explores the reasons that lead humans to their downfall. For this jack-of-all-trades - former trader, he also participated in the work of an artificial intelligence laboratory -, born in Ixelles in 1946 and installed in Vannes (Morbihan), the environmental crisis, that of the financial system and the robotization of society is a tidal wave that threatens to wipe out our species before the end of the century.
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