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by Ahmed » 13/12/15, 21:43

Simple random spirits meet, as often ... because it is not entirely done coincidence ...

It's cool, we're both there to discuss pénardement on a wire ... Lack abandoned more than a fire in the fireplace and a cat on her lap! :P

Edit: I forgot the apple juice, I'm dizzy!
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by Did67 » 13/12/15, 22:06

So with a good herbal tea, I invite you to discover a great man too little known among us: Julos Beaucarne.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julos_Beaucarne

Read at least the paragraph "You have to love yourself through and through" ...

And so in 1974, the vinyl with a humanist and ecological tendency called "Front de Liberation des Arbres Fruitiers" which I thought you were referring to ... [which would have been too much, but would have flattered me!]. We are therefore there in 1974. Or 40 years ago ...

Just before this terrible "Candlemas Septuagint Five" which bears on the reverse, the facsimile of the manuscript of the famous text written the night of the discovery of the assassination of his companion, "party in the world on the other side ...", "leaving him alone with his two little sailors ..." to conclude in a gigantic way: "you have to love yourself through and through" ... I don't have this record; I quote from memory. I who have no memory, 40 years later these words resonate!

Google is great. With a little effort, I found the text:

Loulou is my part for the country from behind the scenes, a man gave him nine stab wounds in her soft skin. It is society that is sick, we need to put right and square, through love and persuasion. It's the story of my little love me arrested on the threshold of his 33 years. Faint not you or me. I will continue my life and my travels with this weight to bear more and our two darlings like him. Without order, I ask you to love more than ever those who are close to you. The world is a sad shop, the pure in heart must come together to beautify, must reforest the human soul. I'll stay on deck, I'll stay a gardener, I will cultivate my language of plants. Through my words, you will find my beloved, it is true that friendship and love. I am now very far into the basket of sorrows; everyone must eat, say, a bag of charcoal to go to heaven. Oh how I wish there was a paradise, as it would be sweet reunion ... Meanwhile, your other friend here on earth, facing what happens to me, I take the liberty, I who am an actor, a drummer boards, an actor who made the dream with the wind, I take the liberty of writing you to tell you what I think today I think of all my strength, he must love to rhyme. Julos / Night to 2 3 February



Part of that quote, is the first song on the disc!
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by Ahmed » 14/12/15, 19:40

I knew, but too little, poet, thank you to mention it here and discover this magician of words.
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we need to put right and square, through love and persuasion

He is very careful not to say "thanks to reason", reason which has been subordinated to an irrational finality and therefore does not constitute (at least in this alienated form) the adequate instrument.

I would have liked more similar reactions during the recent sad events we have experienced, rather than escalation in hate and misunderstanding ...
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by Did67 » 14/12/15, 19:54

He practiced humor with happiness ["As part of the week of beautiful language, do not say more say, say say!"]

And poetry with, when needed, an absolute ferocity: listen to his "Letter to Kissinger", in homage to Victor Jara, tortured and murdered during the overthrow of Allende in Chile ... Where he tells how we cut the hand to Victor Jara, in the stadium of Santiago, before this one, not pointing its stumps, does not start a cappela, the hymn of Popular Unity (the party of Allende) ... "A burst of submachine gun shot then Victor Jara "..." the one who held this weapon was perhaps called ... Kissinger "sang Julos!


Or in the middle of the cold war: "you will remember that neither the east nor the west gives you satisfaction; perhaps you should look more vertically?"
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by chatelot16 » 14/12/15, 20:17

convince the average citizen to pollute less has nothing to convince an alcoholic to stop drinking

for the alcoholic is just his personal afaire

for the average citizen he does what society makes him do, he has little room to maneuver

for example, who spends hours commuting to work, he does not do it voluntarily ... he does so because he does not find work near his home or because he can not find housing near his work: so he can not do alone ... the true ecologist will be the one who understands that to reduce the waste of energy transportation must be built housing, so that there is a sufficient number of vacant housing to allow mobility

this is an example which shows that the energy waste is produced by mistake company or individual can do nothing


that will make the French state for the commitment he made during this cop 21 ... it will continue to lay us plant inefficient gas as the IECC or tax credit research?

it must not subsidize gas plant to save the energy, with grant that become brake saw the enormity of paperwork and time to do the record in months and years!

you simply reduce the tax that weigh on the craftsmen of the building, which are essential to maintain and isolate

I see around me a lot of people whose housing crumbling: the artisans are too expensive for them ... it is only a waste of heating energy is wasted heritage

the pollution sickens! why it is those who have the chance to work again paying the social costs ... it would be easier if we also financed the social security tax by energy, raw material and wasted

reduisont massive loads on the good work, and mettont of tax on energy to keep the balance
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by Ahmed » 14/12/15, 20:24

If the French president had wanted to give a pledge of his good faith, he could have announced the final judgment of the airport project of Notre Dame des Landes ...
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by chatelot16 » 14/12/15, 20:54

when the plane circling above a crowded airport, it consumes kerosene

increase the number of hotels is not an ecological absurdity

we must be wary of too primary idea in the genre that the plane connsomme lot of energy, so do not build airport ...

planes consume less when they go directly to the right destination without wasting time than when they circle in circles over an overloaded airport, and then the passers have to make a lot of km in land transport

the airport of nantes is misplaced, too close to the city center, a new airport is not so absurd as that

but real information heard on television about the old and the new airport of Nantes! we only hear about the nickname géguère ecologist, never explaining the reality

I also worked in a small airport: an airport is not a polluted area: it is rather generally a large clean area apreciée by animals, better than the usual rotten fields of pesticides
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by Ahmed » 14/12/15, 21:47

The problem concerning this airport is not a general problem, but the particular case of a structure that functions properly and the ego of a politician who wants to build his white elephant, even if he wants to destroy a wetland to satisfy his whim. useless according to the testimony of aviation professionals.

You say:
when airplanes circling above a crowded airport, it consumes kerosene

No more than when they can land directly after salted fuel surplus expected to face a wait of available track ...

The "cleanliness" of aerodromes does not go without some pesticides and "regulation" (sic) of unwanted animals.
I have one near my place, whim of the local oligarchy, which is not at all consistent with what you say, far from it. It is their "dancer", except that it is those who do not use it who maintains it ....
Personally, I do not complain about it, because it is sub-desert ... I only borrowed it once, but for someone who tends to be on the side of Sirius (the bad languages talk about the moon!), low flying is not very attractive
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by Did67 » 14/12/15, 22:02

Just compare the number of civil airports in France and Germany!

The planes do not run over there. But when you have an airport in Dole and another in Dijon ... When a politician wants to maintain one in Colmar while there is Mulhouse and Strasbourg ...
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by Flytox » 14/12/15, 22:22

chatelot16 wrote:when the plane circling above a crowded airport, it consumes kerosene

increase the number of hotels is not an ecological absurdity

we must be wary of too primary idea in the genre that the plane connsomme lot of energy, so do not build airport ...

planes consume less when they go directly to the right destination without wasting time than when they circle in circles over an overloaded airport, and then the passers have to make a lot of km in land transport


Yes and no. The more you promote traffic, whether road or air etc ... the more people circulate. When do we make less waste? To take an automobile example, congested towns had to be "relieved" by the construction of peripheral (s) and reduce their pollution nuisance, etc. In fact, this is not the case, people being able to move "more easily" by allow more traffic ... congestion remains the same, but people drive even more throughout the year ... and total pollution has increased.
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