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Re: Analysis of anthropogenic global warming




by Ahmed » 24/05/17, 21:27

... but a sketch (of science) on which one must not rely in terms of political action, until it has proved its worth.

Yet you deduce well an action: that of continuing more beautiful! Methodological optimism leads us to believe that a B plan will always be possible, whereas threshold effects and irreversible consequences inevitably result from this option. If the evidence that you are waiting for appears, it will be too late to take preventive measures and improbable corrections. This prediction criterion is, moreover, ill-suited to an area in which any experiment could be envisaged only at a real scale: the result would then be very certain since it would not be the effect of an extrapolation of scale , But it would be equally useless, since it would no longer predict anything!

Methodical optimism expresses the need for the accumulation of abstract value in the context of subjectivities in a context where it becomes increasingly difficult to achieve (especially because of its very high level).
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by izentrop » 24/05/17, 22:49

Ahmed, understood.
Yes, the measures of the governments towards the industrialists will not incite them to be virtuous, only to buy rights to pollute. Moreover, it is they who make the law, thanks to their financial power. Not on either side that individual commitment is the same for everyone. Fears of accepted ideas outweigh the real solutions. :(

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by Exnihiloest » 26/05/17, 22:22

"Scientists who recently attempted to detect the anthropogenic signal in rising sea levels had to admit that there was no such effect associated with global warming. Four studies published this year [2016] all point to the same conclusion. "
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/bar ... effect-man

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Re: Analysis of anthropogenic global warming




by yves35 » 27/05/17, 04:31

Hello,

Exnihiloest wrote:"Scientists who recently attempted to detect the anthropogenic signal in rising sea levels had to admit that there was no such effect associated with global warming. Four studies published this year [2016] all point to the same conclusion. "
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/bar ... effect-man

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My anglophony is faltering but I wonder if the editorial line of this publication is neutral.

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Re: Analysis of anthropogenic global warming




by Exnihiloest » 27/05/17, 18:44

yves35 wrote:Hello,

Exnihiloest wrote:"Scientists who recently attempted to detect the anthropogenic signal in rising sea levels had to admit that there was no such effect associated with global warming. Four studies published this year [2016] all point to the same conclusion. "
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/bar ... effect-man

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My anglophony is faltering but I wonder if the editorial line of this publication is neutral.

yves

Even if it is not neutral, it refers to studies, one of the Laboratory of Studies in Geophysics and Oceanograhie Spatiales, so it is easy to check. I have just done it for the French, it is found there:
https://tel.archives-ouvertes.fr/tel-01317607/
The file is downloadable, but 26 Mo is a little disuasive ...
However, the end of the summary (in French contrary to the study itself) goes in the direction of the article:
"In attempting to separate the signal corresponding to the mode of internal climate variability from that of the regional sea level rise in the tropical Pacific, we also show that the residual signal remaining (ie the total signal minus The internal variability signal) probably does not correspond to the external imprint of anthropogenic forcing."
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by izentrop » 28/05/17, 07:17

These are details http://www.clubdesargonautes.org/faq/tr ... tiques.php
http://www.clubdesargonautes.org/climat ... p#academie

What is decisive is the results of analysis of air microbubbles trapped in the ice.
These curves on a scale of 10000 years show well the sudden acceleration of concentrations of greenhouse gases since the industrial period.Image http://www.clubdesargonautes.org/climat/cc/chap7.php

The end of the carbonifer coincides with the appearance of fungi recyclers of lignin and large redistributors of nutrients for plants. From this point on, the composition of the atmosphere stabilized, even during the great variations of climate, the current CO2 rate was not reached. At least since 400000 years.
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by Exnihiloest » 28/05/17, 16:30

A release of CO2 demonstrates nothing at all as to the warming, since the quantified cause-effect relationship between CO2 increase and temperature is not made. It is all the less so because the most important greenhouse gas is water vapor, the cycle and effects of which are very poorly known, which is why we are putting off ears with the other. The story of the stuffed bistro customer who lost his car keys and looked for them only under the street lamp because that's where the light is (yes, the story dates from a time when one could drive packed).

Then this stored CO2 is of natural origin. And its liberation returns to nature, which profits and partially compensates for its effects:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37909361
So do not panic, the earth and we too will hold up without any problems until all electric (it will be necessary that the plants are not thermal, will add the anti-CO2).
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by izentrop » 28/05/17, 23:55

Exnihiloest wrote:Then this stored CO2 is of natural origin. And its liberation returns to nature, which profits and partially compensates for its effects:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37909361
They do not contradict the thesis of RC
The authors of the study say that the pause in the growth of atmospheric carbon will almost certainly be a temporary phenomenon. As temperatures increase, these green wells could actually become sources of CO2.
The global financial crisis did not have to be alien to this break, I think ... a check.
The fact that the oceans absorb almost half of the anthropogenic co2 releases makes them sick.

And then we know very well how to differentiate the anthropic CO2 from the natural and not you? : Twisted:
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Re: Analysis of anthropogenic global warming




by izentrop » 29/05/17, 00:39

Still a measurement bias to discredit human responsibility http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2 ... _3244.html

To ask who is in the ideology? : Mrgreen:
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by Exnihiloest » 29/05/17, 19:43

izentrop wrote:...
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37909361
They do not contradict the thesis of RC


I know, I put it because it shows that Nature compensates, which I have not seen anywhere on the IPCC side.

Still a measurement bias to discredit human responsibility http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/2 ... _3244.html

To ask who is in the ideology? : Mrgreen:

The biases of measurements, you have to shovel the side of the good-thinking. The problem is that the well-thinking uses it for the forecasts, and crashes:
https://www.contrepoints.org/2014/06/04 ... e-climat-2
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