Rigorous winter 2011, volcanic winter?

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by Flytox » 31/12/10, 17:37

FPLM wrote:Artificially arousing a volcano is not a solution but a new unknown in the equation of global climate change.
This weapon would not do us good, it's not his goal.
But let's admit. A volcano is made to fart and a large cloud of dust cools the earth. And after? Nobody can answer that simple question. Another simple question is, how can we prevent another volcano from erupting at the same time, thereby forcing all predictions? We could not.
We have no guarantee on the extent of success or failure and given the issues, we need a maximum guarantee.

In the same way, all the projects of geo-genesis are only pretexts for the megalomaniacs frustrated of not being able to prove to the world that they are superior.
All these ideas seem to me as phantasmagorical and grotesque as the projects of the wicked terrorists of the bad films of espionage.
It is up to nature to regulate these energies that far exceed us. It is up to us to adapt to it and, to make it easier for ourselves, to disturb as little as possible the natural balance that guarantees us life on earth.

+ 100 !!!

Anyway, farting a volcano is not within our reach. The mistake must make an order of magnitude suitcase : Mrgreen:

We do not order a magmatic rise, over tens or even hundreds of km 2 with the associated km3 of magma, by pressing a button .... At most, in the most favorable of cases, we must be able to help the triggering of 'an eruption "ready" to fart by anticipating the phenomenon ...... but what interest, anyway it would have farted ..... without indicating the extent of the phenomenon to several orders of magnitude? ?. Just play sorcerer's apprentice ..... : Shock: : Evil: : Cry: :frown: :| : Mrgreen:

Anyway, it's tackling the symptoms and not the disease ....... : Cry: All this with a return of acid rain and forest destruction that goes with .....
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by Christophe » 31/12/10, 17:50

Flytox wrote:Anyway, farting a volcano is not within our reach. The mistake must make an order of magnitude suitcase : Mrgreen:


Just like drilling at 10 km in the rock underwater drilling ... But we did it anyway ...

I totally agree with you on the preventive ... but the man is generally better in healing ... :|
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by sen-no-sen » 31/12/10, 17:51

Flytox wrote:

In any case, it is tackling the symptoms and not the disease


All modern capitalist politics is based on this principle!
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by Christophe » 31/12/10, 17:58

Well yes: as it can sell 2 times (or more) things ...
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by Obamot » 10/01/11, 01:02

Average temperatures in November (green zone: limit of zero degree C):

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Average temperatures in December (green zone: limit of zero degrees C):

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Not really a "New era of glaciation" for the moment : Cheesy:

Currently in this first third of January in Europe: from 6 "to 17" C !!!

Forecast of the next days
- this week according to weather France during the day: up to 10 ° C in France,
- following week during the day: up to 16 ° C in Corsica (12 ° C / 13 ° C on average!).

... basically we would have had an early early winter. Because of the volcano ..or no! But not especially cold for the moment. In any case the trend has not been maintained, which seems to invalidate this hypothesis.

Source: cosmovisions.com
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by navel » 10/01/11, 09:33

In any case, all these problems of temperature changes seem ridiculous when one thinks in geological terms. The earth has already lived much worse as upheavals.
Of course, man does not like to think in geological terms. However, it would take a small episode of supervolcan to solve all our problems of warming, and suddenly, we would ask the population to produce more CO2 to warm up a little ...

Come on, I'm voting for the awakening of the Yellowstone complex : Cheesy:
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by Christophe » 10/01/11, 09:55

Obamot wrote:Not really a "New era of glaciation" for the moment : Cheesy:


Do you want a slap? : Cheesy: : Cheesy:

Obamot wrote:Currently in this first third of January in Europe: from 6 "to 17" C !!!


Well it's clear that December was cold, so january is hot (for now). We have an exceptional southerly wind at this time (as much as the polar wind of December). I think 2 can be linked!

As some Eastern European countries had 20 ° C during the cold wave in Western Europe.

The wind circulates :)

"Left to right, right eeeeett to to to left to right ..."... as Serge would say!

Obamot wrote:... basically we would have had an early early winter. Because of the volcano ..or no! But not especially cold for the moment. In any case the trend has not been maintained, which seems to invalidate this hypothesis.


If December has been cold! To see the weather and climate report for France in 2010

With a lower average temperature of 3 ° C than normal, December 2010 is the coldest December of these last 40 years.


-3 ° C is HUGE on average !!

But on the beginning of January I think that we are already between + 1 and + 2 ° C (closer to + 2 ° C) : Cheesy:

Must listen to Serge!

Both are "not normal" but what is climatic normality?
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by Obamot » 10/01/11, 15:28

Christophe wrote:-3 ° C is HUGE on average !! [...]
Obamot wrote:Not really a "New era of glaciation" for the moment : Cheesy:


Do you want a slap? : Cheesy: : Cheesy:

Benkoi? Are not fair my cards, Image according to the colors they say nothing else about temperature!

One could say - if there was indeed some influence, which is likely - how such a redoux would be possible. It should at least be contained in "seasonal norms". The truth is that nothing can be deduced from "one season". I only report the state of the situation. And as you raise it, on the other hand, an early cold current has taken place, too, but it is not impossible at the scale of a century, and I think we will all accod to say that it's still too little to draw a trend ...

Hat side slams [fashion «style effect »: WE] : Cheesy: I am rather to moderate the scenario. If this volcano gives a warming respite all the better (but I think the effect does not compensate for the long-term warming, which continues). In addition, the return of "more snow in winter" has already been felt since several winter seasons. As can be seen from the leaders of the regions / alpine resorts (and this was already the case BEFORE the volcanic eruption, even if the beginning of winter was particularly favorable).

... anyway, if every time there was an "exceptional" weather event on the up or down, it had to be deduced that: "That's it, we were all going to grill like chickens or finish in frozen fish sticks"... there is a risk of paying less attention to more endogenous causes potentially causing them, perfectly direct effects. As the acceleration of erosion of permafrost ... (which does not slow down)
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by Christophe » 26/03/11, 20:14

To see or see again tonight on Arte (and on arte + 7 probably after)

Deadly Cloud (ARTE)

Saturday, 26 March 2011 to 20: 40

repeats:
27.03.2011 to 14: 45
06.04.2011 to 11: 00
14.04.2011 to 04: 00
19.04.2011 to 10: 00
Deadly cloud
(United Kingdom, 2006, 48mn)
ARTE F

A year ago, the erupting Eyjafjöll crippled global air traffic for almost a week. In 1783, another Icelandic volcano, the Laki, caused thousands of deaths as far as continental Europe. Back on a "year of ashes".

8 June 1783, Laki volcano erupts. His deadly cloud annihilates more than a quarter of the Icelandic population and three quarters of his cattle, before drifting across the North Atlantic to continental Europe, sowing suffering and devastation. The eight months of emission of sulfuric gas cause one of the most important climatic and social disturbances of the last millennium.

Driven by the winds, the toxic cloud reaches Norway, Germany, France and England. Several years in a row, long and severe winters ruin crops. Iceland is ravaged by the worst famine in its history. Elsewhere, hunger and cold also drive up mortality. The eruption of Laki may even have hastened the French Revolution and caused shortages to China and Japan!

Geological, climatological and medical studies carried out for this documentary provide a very precise vision of this unparalleled global catastrophe. Testimonies in the form of press clippings, letters and diaries, as well as reconstructed scenes retrace the upset daily life of the populations. And synthetic images make it possible to understand the nature of the phenomenon and the way in which it manifested itself. The precise picture of a "year of ashes" and its consequences, illuminated by explanations from researchers.


Decidedly, this is the disaster period on Arte ... pfff not good for morale! :|
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by Christophe » 27/03/11, 09:10

Here is the stream, available 7 days:
http://videos.arte.tv/fr/videos/nuage_m ... 84494.html

2ieme report on the same subject:
http://videos.arte.tv/fr/videos/volcans ... 84500.html

Volcanoes of Iceland, and tomorrow?

Europe has just realized that Iceland is home to a colossal force, with which its inhabitants have learned to live for centuries. The smoke emitted by Eyjafjöll, erupted on 20 March 2010, caused panic in global air traffic from 14 to 20 in April, resulting in massive losses for airlines, and beyond for the entire international economy . But other more powerful volcanoes are ready today to wake up in Iceland. Volcanologists, seismologists and geologists who carefully monitor this high-risk land have tightened the warning system around four craters whose awakening could be imminent; a deadline between less than one year and half a century. The most potentially dangerous of these eruptions is that of the Askja volcano, which promises to be colossal. Not only would the air links be paralyzed again, but this time the ashes themselves could reach continental Europe.
This documentary follows some of Iceland's greatest volcano specialists on their research grounds, through spectacular landscapes forged by lava and ashes.
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