Climate: 4 ° C in mid May? Notice meteorologists?

[Christophe]

Since 48h (4 ° C yesterday outside at best) we must turn on the wood stove in the living room. It has never happened since 3 years we are in this house. We are in mid May !! Is a meteorologist brave and intellectually honest could we finally admit that there is really a soup in the soup of the climate?

By dint of taking "scientific tweezers" (lack of receipt ... blablabala), we end up lying, lying to ourselves and at the same time taking people for idiots! And I weigh my words!!

[highfly-addict]

hi Christophe

I'm not a meteorologist, but I'm interested .... FYI, the 4 May has given us 7-8 cm of snow (Photos on request).

The ancients called it "the cuckoo snow", referring to the famous ice saints who follow (and who are right now as if by chance!) and it is a METEOROLOGICAL EPISODE, which has no significance in terms of CLIMAT.

In my opinion, frankly a 'bitch' as ​​you say, but it's not that kind of stuff that 'scratch', when we have had 2-3 heat waves and 6-7 storms that snatch everything, all in 4 -5 years .... Then we can talk.

[elephant]

This kind of anomaly is common.

Examples and counterexamples

In 1979: July possible infection: ceaseless rains and 13 °! (and in Warsaw, still worse!)

In 1974: a frightening June: fleet to burst, sweater and rain jacket essential

I remember very rainy and cold Pentecost. (We were hoping for good weather for the "communions")

On the other hand: in April 2007, I returned from Easter holidays in Brittany by a radiant sun (I live Charleroi in Belgium). The night light of my boiler had broken down: I repaired it after August 15.

One year is not the other .....

On the other hand, we had a particularly dry and sunny April, I think.

[dedeleco]

But, no, it's a normal fluctuation, a chaotic system !!
The heated air at the equator will cool at the pole (so it is hot at 45 ° latitude), and in compensation the cold air poles will heat up at the equator, so it is cold 45 ° of latitude, as at this moment, especially since these flows are strong in swirls, this for billions of years!
In the time of Louis 14 it was worse, even the Thames froze as in Quebec (small ice age)!
http://planet-terre.ens-lyon.fr/planett ... climat.xml
There is 20000ans there was a glacier with moraine in London and Lyon !!
There is 125000 in 2 at 3 ° C more and 3m higher sea than 5m at the moment, with the southern half of Greenland melted, without any CO2 added by the caveman !!!
Moreover, there is a correlation, once more, between solar activity and temperature, and at this moment the sun is rather at its minimum, because the earth is a great chamber of Wilson, where the cosmic rays ( which pass better in low solar activity) create nucleation droplets that increase the clouds and cool the earth !!!
http://la.climatologie.free.fr/soleil/soleil1.htm
thanks to this site that gives such crucial information!
http://la.climatologie.free.fr/soleil/s ... htm#resume
http://www.larecherche.fr/content/reche ... e?id=11802
Whole climate factors
http://la.climatologie.free.fr/sommaire.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_condensation_nuclei
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_electricity
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Th ... ees_Wilson
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chambre_%C3%A0_brouillard
http://www.bizarrelabs.com/cloud.htm
From the late Louis 14, the sun had no spots, zero activity, and the very cold (famines).
the volcano of Iceland must cool us with its cloud, as after 1783 to trigger the French Revolution !!!!
If it continues, we could have much colder, as in 1816, with summer with no wheat, as in winter, volcano in Indonesia!
http://la.climatologie.free.fr/volcan/e ... htm#impact
http://la.climatologie.free.fr/volcan/v ... historique
The warming of the last years can perfectly be explained by a natural fluctuation of the climate without having to invoke the human CO2, as the fashion, we blame us, by refusing the possibility of the fluctuations of the essential factor which warms us, the sun !!
The climate is chaotic, unpredictable, always, at all time scales, from the week to the million years !!
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pal%C3%A9oclimatologie
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pal%C3%A9oclimatologie
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Fi ... Change.png

To see this oscillating curve amplifying, it will fluctuate more and more, for the future !!!!!

[zorglub]

these are hypotheses and explanations that I believe more than their CO2
I already said: if the CO2 increases the O2 should decrease ......
who confirms or cripples? not a scientist, nobody
for me it's pipo ... and merchantilism

[sen-no-sen]

Thank you for its many links Dedelco, but it is not necessary to my very humble opinion to look for very complex explanations at these temperatures.
We live an episode or cloud cover is quite strong on France (and Europe).
The latter is composed of very dense clouds that block the sunshine, Cumulus and Cumulo nimbus types (hence some storms), the rains that follow naturally triggers a drop in temperature, which as the sky is not does not release leads to a tumble in the thermometer.
We must see things on the right side, as soon as the sky is clear, we can enjoy lush vegetation, so it will not hurt the water table.

Some temperature of recall (Rhône-Alpes): the 24 / 05 / 2009 it made 34.4 C ° to Ambérieux (in the Ain).
And -3.9 C ° at St Etienne Bouthéon (Loire), the 01 / 05 / 1976
Source: Météo France.

[Christophe]

This kind of anomaly is common.
Examples and counterexamples

Obviously ... But haven't we observed an acceleration of "climatic anomalies" over the last decade? By anomaly I mean climatic extremes in every sense of the word? Hey yesterday there were still 90 deaths in China because of heavy rains ...

Anomalies that will quickly become normal ... for scientists and meteorologists who care about their job and career!

Hey op how to bury facts grâve ... a little easy right?

ps: the subject does not concern the responsabilities of possible climatic changes but simply the observation of the facts ...

[dedeleco]

No assumptions, but precise facts of the climate of the past independent of all models!
The models come after undergoing the tests of the past facts !!!
I also believe that, scientist, more than the extremists, like C. Allegre (he beats all the records of base, already against H Terzieff and the volcano which has not yet farted) or the CO2 disaster.
Each element has an effect, but their amplitude is subject to discussion!
The effect of the current CO2 to be visible must be amplified at least by 4 and on it there is contestation !!
Given past fluctuations, the current climate is more volatile than a few million years ago, oscillating between cold and hot short pulses, as currently!
Defenders of CO2 say that this instability amplifies the effect of CO2!
In the past it seems that there was 10 times more CO2 (55 million years and other periods) and max 15 at 20 ° C (land still habitable, with continents favoring this heat) and therefore the effect of Current CO2, calculated by rule of three rudimentary is very low !!

We live an episode or cloud cover is quite strong on France (and Europe).

And the volcano of Iceland, it always spits and it amplifies the clouds (nuclei of nucleation on dust and SO2) and thus strong cloud cover !!!
We have to wait for him to finish it can last for years, as before the French Revolution !!!!!

if the CO2 increases the O2 should decrease ......

Yes, except that the variation is too small in the 10ppm 100ppm to be measured in the O2 (measure better than 1 / 10000 a challenge) that fluctuates between forests and traffic jams!
Small calculation, how much time is left to destroy all the O2 by CO2 at the current rate ????
And the O2 how long does it take to renew itself ?????
And there is only 600millions of years that there is a lot of O2, seems it on earth !!! Before, that microbes or unicellular on 85% of the age of the earth, which accumulated a waste, the O2 which is essential to us !!!

[sen-no-sen]

And the volcano of Iceland, it still spits and it amplifies the clouds (nuclei of nucleation on dust and SO2) and thus strong cloud cover !!!
We must wait until it finishes and it can last for years, as before the French Revolution !!!!!

Indeed volcanic dust creates condensation nuclei favoring precipitation ... it is an interesting track.

[dedeleco]

it's an interesting track.

It's a strong correlation! and even more, if it lasts with the volcano and a drop in temperature !!!