DPE: doubts about the results? Scam, crooks ...

[Christophe]

I have no intention: it was just to illustrate the difference between France and Belgium on access to the profession ...

[elephant]

The Walloon region announces a big plan of 1 billion euros and the recruitment of 250 "couriers" to help people save energy:

http://www.lavenir.net/article/detail.a ... 5_00045327

The Walloon government on Thursday signed its final agreement on the launch of the Alliance Emploi Environnement. This initiative, whose budget amounts to more than one billion euros distributed over the legislature, aims to improve the environment by reducing the energy bill of citizens and businesses, and by creating jobs.

This Walloon alliance will focus on insulating buildings. The Walloon assessment on this point must be improved: 44,8% of housing is considered to be in poor condition, recalled the Minister of ENERGY, Jean-Marc Nollet. In some areas, between 50 and 70% of the building was built before 1945, at a time when the insulation did not receive the same attention as now.

250 “eco-passers”

Individuals are the first target of the 50 measures that will be implemented. One-stop shops will be available to them. In total, 250 "eco-passers »Will help the public to put together a dossier, establish an initial diagnosis, design the financial plan and support the project until the site is received.

“Bouquets” of works will be offered to individuals (insulation of the roof, walls, replacement of the frames, installation of a condensing boiler, etc.) for which they will be able to benefit from a premium and a loan to 0% granted by the Walloon Social Credit Company (SWCS) or the Large Families Housing Fund.

Reduce the lighting bill

Merchants will also benefit from aid to reduce their lighting bill, which represents 80% of the electric bill of small shops.

Public projects will also be launched, amounting to 420 million euros in public housing, 72 million in schools, 24 million in municipal premises and 24 million in the voluntary sector.

Improve training

At the same time, special efforts are already made in terms of training for green trades, through competence centers or IFAPME. Many professions are concerned: architect, painted in building, roofer, roofer, carpenter, etc.

Increase competitiveness

In the economic field, in addition to sector agreements, the 6th competitiveness cluster, "Greenwin", will be called upon in its "sustainable materials" section. Companies will also benefit from specific support organized by the Economic Stimunlation Agency (ASE). Two research programs will also be implemented, for respective amounts of 5 million euros.

Fight against moonlighting

The planned measures also include the introduction of social and environmental clauses for public procurement. To fight against moonlighting, at least 10% of the sites for which the Region is the contracting authority will be subject to a random check.

An alliance of actors

A total of 40 partners are associated with this alliance: unions, the voluntary sector, Forem and a series of employers' federations, including the Walloon Construction Confederation, which has already welcomed the launch of this Politics. According to her, this Alliance will gradually increase the annual number of renovation sites by 30% and will ultimately lead, with the various measures linked to energy performance, to the creation of 5.000 new jobs in the sector.

It would tempt me enough as a job.

[Christophe]

The energy performance diagnosis is reformed

The reliability of energy performance diagnostics (DPE) is questioned. A new brick in the reform of this tool is brought by the recasting of the decrees which frame it. Presentation.

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Reliability questioned

The unreliability of DPEs has been denounced on several occasions, in particular by consumer associations. The diagnosticians explained it by the pressures exerted by the owners and the purchasers, largely because the classification conditioned the amount of the loan at zero rate (PTZ +).

"Apart from its cost considered high since it serves only as an awareness tool, the diagnosis raises a question of the legitimacy of public policies, since a tool whose reliability is not always guaranteed serves as a basis for the increase in tax assistance ", confirmed the deputies Bertrand Pancher (UMP - Meuse) and Philippe Tourtelier (SRC - Ille-et-Vilaine) in their recent report on the application of the Grenelle 2 law.

Faced with these various criticisms, the Grenelle building plan's "Quality signs" working group published recommendations in July 2011 to improve the system.

Six steps to improve diagnostics

On September 13, Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet and Benoist Apparu announced six measures to improve and make reliable the DPE: better transparency vis-à-vis individuals, an improvement in the calculation method, the use of software validated by the ministry , the putting on line of a database of DPEs, a rise in competence of the diagnosticians and a more effective control.

The software measure was satisfied by the publication of the decree of January 27, 2012 which sets out a software conformity assessment procedure. That relating to the competence of the diagnosticists was it by the publication of the decree of December 13, 2011 which defines the new criteria of certification of their competences.

Regarding the improvement of the calculation method, "the new 3CL calculation method is already published on the RT-Bâtiment site", specifies Romain Remesy, DPE project manager at the Ministry of Ecology.

The creation of an online database of DPEs is the subject of work carried out by Ademe. The objective of improving the controls goes through this database, by putting on line, already effective, a directory of diagnosticians by the Ministry of Ecology and by carrying out control operations. A first series of checks began two months ago. A second phase is currently starting. "Suspicious DPEs will be transmitted to the certification bodies, which will take the appropriate measures, if necessary", specifies Romain Remesy. That is to say a withdrawal, in the event of serious misconduct, or a suspension of certification.

Improve data transparency

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Full article: http://www.actu-environnement.com/ae/ne ... 15228.php4

[jlt22]

It will take until 2013 to have substantial progress in ECD software:

DPE: a procedure to evaluate software
A decree, published on February 10 in the Official Journal, sets a procedure for evaluating the conformity of software used to perform energy performance diagnostics (DPE).
For the implementation of the 3CL-DPE version 2012 calculation method, "only software validated by the Minister in charge of construction" according to the new defined assessment procedure is recognized. "The evaluation procedure allows software editors and users of these to ensure their technical and ergonomic qualities for the preparation of energy performance diagnostics", specifies the order.
These new provisions must be applied no later than January 1, 2013.
The Ministry of Ecology announced in early September six measures to improve ECD, after the reliability of this tool had been questioned. A decree, published at the end of December, defined the new criteria for certifying the skills of diagnostic workers.

source:
http://www.actu-environnement.com/ae/news/DPE-evaluation-logiciel-3CL-DPE-14912.php4

[Christophe]

I think the software poses fewer problems than:

"an increase in the competence of diagnosticians and more effective control."

When we see the margoullins that are formed in 2 days ... by extremely opportunistic companies ... see the links of the reports above in this subject ...

In Belgium, doing DPE controller (BEP here) is a very supervised profession (and the diag. Also costs 2 to 4 times more expensive than in France: 200 to 400 € ...)

[Did67]

In my opinion :

1) there is a "technical" mimic, linked to the "non-intrusive" character: how to configure the isolation coefficients without touching the mrus ???

2) But subject to this limit, there was in my opinion only one radical way to solve the problem of margoulins (those who "hack" in a voluntary way to play the game of sellers): engage their responsibility.

What we right-wing government obviously did not want to do ...

We could therefore imagine a DPE in which the diagnostician first states the hypothesis (eg: "I assume that it is a wall of agglomerate blocks of such thickness with a plaster of such thickness without insulation", etc. doorframes, etc. for ceilings / attics) then states the result of the diagnosis: "if this is the case: the standard consumption is ...." ...

In case of dispute: expertise; if I am not happy, I drill the wall to check and if the result is wrong, I sue civil! damage: 25 years of additional heating costs! Or "difference" in the value of the property (the house classified C sold x thousand euros, how much would it have been worth if it had been classified F? "For example)

[dedeleco]

A simple sound survey device, like ultrasound, lets you know!
Just by tapping on the partition or the wall, we already have an idea !!

We should do training in wall music !!

Looking in the nook, we have an idea too !!

[sen-no-sen]

Most DPEs are done more or less empirically: study of energy bills, condition of doors, window.

To make a real DPE you have to use a thermograph, or even aerial thermal imagery ... it's more the same budget!
Nevertheless, the fact remains that even at a "glance" most homes have pitiful energy performance!

[dedeleco]

Nevertheless, the fact remains that even at a "glance" most homes have pitiful energy performance!

they are all 99% made the same, often with blunders, breeze blocks, thermal bridges and a little insulation!

For me, the most pitiful thing is that, even by correcting the "pitiful energy performance", if I spend nothing more on heating, there is much more in property and housing taxes, almost 3 times those of current heating (without burn, free wood and plants, which I see everywhere wasted and burned in the open air by my neighbors who smoke me out for days !!)


So energy remains inexpensive, compared to the expenses decided and managed by our elected officials, with indebted states in near bankruptcy !!!

[dimitri16]

Hello,

I would like to bring some additional information about ECD, scam and scam.

To carry out a DPE you need very little information.
You need to know the year of construction of the house, the living area, the department, the configuration and the type of building, the production of heating and domestic hot water.
after for the rest it is at the discretion of the diagnostician.
He has no obligation to provide an exact value to his software; he can, if he wishes, make only approximations and hypotheses (legally).

if you want to take the time to do a DPE go to my site www.actis-energie.fr, it is completely free and free of access, you will understand a little better.

Basically this software was intended to perform a mini energy audit with advice ... only today it has only regulatory interest for the rental and sale of real estate.
it is considered unnecessary for the most part.

For 100 € the DPE, you cannot ask the diagnostician to spend more than 30 min at home + 30 min of report + sending of the report + travel + the pay of the diagnostician and the secretary.

On the other hand, an ECD diagnostician is only too rarely a basic thermician.

If you want a serious study call a BET who will carry out an energy audit. on the other hand the cost of the service is not the same, between 400 € and 1000 € TTC.
to carry out this audit, he will use specific software for thermicians and tools such as the U-meter (determines the U of the walls), a thermal camera, a vitrometer, temperature probes, co2 ...
this involves stripping the building thermally and submitting a full report with work scenarios with calculations of tax credits, CEE and return on investment.

don't ask a mule to run the triumphal arch

We want the best at the cheapest price, it is sometimes possible but it is often incompatible.

good luck everyone