Are the rulers idiots?

[marc91]

hold, to illustrate what Christophe says, have you seen the infrared of France 2, this week "live at 1500 € / month"

I don't know if we can watch it live on the net.
http://www.programme-tv.com/actu/14691/ ... nce-2.html

Anecdote of the report: it is the Auvergnats (the rural ones) who live the best. City dwellers are in big trouble because they have to buy everything in addition to overwhelming housing expenses

I, who am a municipal elected representative, realize that politicians (mayors, deputies, etc.) are in a perfectly locked system, and these serve as their position to always have more power and influence.

so people have what made them believe!

[Christophe]

1)

Ho and then shit, you annoy me, I cut my pc

Well, do not get upset for so little ... but good to accuse "for free" like that in public, even if it is well founded, it may not please everyone ...

Do not forget that it is the webmaster who is criminally responsible for all your statements ... so there are things that I should not let pass and censor. If you weren't a regular, I would have already deleted all of your posts ...

2) Remundo, I agree with the figures in your example so who is, in your opinion, responsible for the decline in purchasing power? Food or accommodation?

He has to stay, $700/ month charges included.

He must be feed, get dressed, renew your equipment € 400 / month

So 200 € / month. Person for food approximately

The system clearly protects the wealthy, lobbies of property owners and developers.

3) For the big wankers, is it from you or was it in the report?

You should explain to me how "accommodation = 0" ... unless he is still with his parents (and again all my friends who worked while still staying with their old man had to pay them something ... 2 to 300 € food included, so good deal but not free anyway).

I would like to share with you MY WANTING EXPERIENCE:

Between 23 years (sorry to have had my bac +5 without ever having repeated, I certainly did not jerk off enough) and 25 years, unsuccessful job search, any statistic would have classified me as "BIG WITCHER". .. I was neither unemployed (because not paid) nor RMIste ... I was NOTHING economically or for the stats ...

So I was a pariat, an economic scum (to karchériser?) In terms of GDP, and if my parents had not been there or had thrown me out on the street (it exists if yes!), I would have probably been homeless ...

So big wanker, not everyone chooses to be it you see ... poverty is not chosen ... unlike wealth elsewhere!

Then, at 25 I asked the RMI, 3 months before finding a job at 1600 € net (subsidized because I touched the RMI) but at the other end of France (Guérande) so big costs and overqualified job ( that's why it lasted only 1 year, by the way) ... Again if my parents had not given a deposit for the rental NEVER we would have had an apartment: it is well known all young people are thieves who don't pay their rent !!

So I have my slap in the face of world of prejudices and whores like "I have to fuck before you put it in my ass" or the classic "tired of working for others", "young people c ' are all wankers "or even" only me who works the others is big wankers "it is well known ... !!

Without the "others" very few are the men who can survive mentally and physically ...

5) Those who pay the most are you and me: the middle classes who are SMICARISING more and more ... The minimum wage is increased every year, the salaries of "small and medium" executives rarely ... surprise that there are more and more careerist whores?

6) About the rising prices, if INSEE would have dared to take real estate into account in calculating inflation, between 2000 and 2006, it would have hit 10% ...

Only inflation is an index of shit for policies of shit which bandage on a growth of shit, based EXCLUSIVELY on the GDP, which is however an index of shit not even corrected by the so-called incomplete inflation, shit therefore!

https://www.econologie.com/forums/l-inflatio ... t2178.html
ou https://www.econologie.com/fonctionnemen ... -2735.html
and especially
https://www.econologie.com/forums/inflation- ... t5201.html

Was I clear or did I add a layer (shit?)

Based on these facts and if on the one hand we corrected inflation with real estate (and whatnot like the public DEBT that we owe to the banksters) and on the other hand we corrected GDP, therefore growth, by this inflation "corrected", then it has been at least since 2002 that FRANCE IS IN HEAVY RECESSION (-5% to -10%)... oh sorry negative growth that must be said now in France to end in style with the foutage of mouth of the average Frenchman !!!

Now as said in this topic https://www.econologie.com/forums/inflation- ... t5201.html money does not disappear ...



Nervous question: another thing that hurts your ass, 50% of taxes go to finance public debt, so private banks ... it's not normal ... which costs the most? So what is the most expensive? Debt for the rich or RMi for the poor?

[Remundo]

Hi Christopher,

I accused a system, not the people who are victims or benefit from it.

Housing 0 € is the housing + social housing allowance. You will tell me the places are "expensive", but whoever gets in there quickly gets a taste.

There is a teacher and teacher, associate, certified, auxiliary teacher, college, high school, CPGE, zone 1,2,3 ... The remuneration depends on a large number of parameters, "bonuses" and "specific allowances".

The median order of magnitude is € 1500 for the novice teacher. It is not enough to live normally.

I think, but it is a personal judgment, that the work is not sufficiently recognized, idleness (wanted or not) much too helped. From there, it's the vicious circle: high direct debits, slowdown in SMEs / Industry, increase in recipients, increase in direct debits, deficits ...

Otherwise, you're right, housing is way too expensive. I am one of those who think that this high price is detrimental to both landlords and tenants, or to first-time buyers. But it is deflating because supply and demand take control of speculation fed by "easy money" from banks.

The INSEE index has not meant anything for a long time, it's an open secret.

[Christophe]

I think, but it is a personal judgment, that the work is not sufficiently recognized, idleness (wanted or not) much too helped. From there, it's the vicious circle: high direct debits, slowdown in SMEs / Industry, increase in recipients, increase in direct debits, deficits ...

The annuity pays more than the work ... so pkoi work?

Examples: anyone who earns between 1 and 2 times the minimum wage and who bought a property in the 80s or 90s earned much more on property inflation during this period than on their work ... It is unacceptable!!

The INSEE index has not meant anything for a long time, it's an open secret.

Pitch? Not so sure because it is however the one which is widely used by politicians and which makes the front page of the news ...

ps: I rectified my answer surely while you posted ...

[Remundo]

3) For the big wankers, is it from you or was it in the report?

It's in the report, but not said so.

A mother provides home assistance for the elderly. For 30 years, she has won 1500 Euros.

Her daughter, not skinny and noticeably slumped on the table, complains of a cigarette in her mouth that she does not have enough to eat. We later learn that she went to singing school, and that she spends her days singing in the metro.

Further on, she is 25 years old, and almost proudly declares "now that I am 25 years old, I help my mother with the RMI".

You have to watch this report, it is very good: a nice photo of the small middle class France 2009, I repeat, the most despised and exploited among all the CSP

[Remundo]

Hello,

The "colossal rent" offered by real estate is a myth.

Over long periods (> 15 years) real estate follows inflation more or less (barely more in recent years in the Euro zone).

Nor is it scandalous that you can earn income from real estate assets. There is a group of retirees for whom retirement would be low without the contribution of capital acquired during their active year by their work.

Small interesting article:
https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... pzHK6T.pdf

Otherwise, stock market income can be heinous, but also the losses. The supreme trick is to set up a system where you take fixed commissions +% on earnings. Any loss is fully suffered by the customer. The real bandits are there.

Come on, Christophe, you seem nervous to me.

To relax, have a drink

[Christophe]

Hello,

The "colossal rent" offered by real estate is a myth.

Sorry the example I am quoting is not a myth.

Practical example: a house bought "1 million francs" in the mid-90s is now worth it, at least in 2006 ("worst" year on real estate listing): 350 to 400 € (I'm just talking about the market value , therefore without major transformations therefore fresh by the owner)

Theoretical capital gain (exempt from tax except increase in property and property tax aligned I think with the evolution of "theoretical" prices) in current €: 200 to 000 € over 250 years ... or 000 to 10 € per year !!

In short, as much as a couple who have significant purchasing power can save (3 to 4000 € minimum return) and far more than a smicard couple can hope to return ...

And again I'm nice because the rise in real estate mainly started in 2002 (so it would double the gains over the year) ... don't ask me pkoi..may be linked to September 11 and the "fear" of next day?

ps: well your .pdf, precisely it dates from 12/2006 ... where the decline started after 4 years of ... fucking ...

Nor is it scandalous that you can earn income from real estate assets. There is a group of retirees for whom retirement would be low without the contribution of capital acquired during their active year by their work.

Ok but how far? You cannot play on the 2 Remundo boards: either defend the owners or the tenants but you cannot say that the 2 are to be pitied ...

A good clue to see the purchasing power of retirees: the number of motorhomes ... purchased at 70-80% (I would say) by retirees ... or pre-retirees ...

On the other hand, current retirees are the last generation to be able to take advantage of the pension system before the final collapse ...

reps: am never nervous except against liars and manipulators Please note that I am not targeting anyone forums but those we are talking about!

[Remundo]

Good evening Christophe,

You take the years that fix your reasoning ...

1995/2005 marks a major surge in real estate.

This is what has happened over 25 years in the USA, and I take the curve of the American West, the most speculative.

in 25 years, the value of goods has tripled. O bad guys
that makes a rate of [exp (ln (3) / 25) -1] =4.5%
It's not scandalous, it's a little more than inflation.

Furthermore, the real estate market is open to everyone, and in a lifetime, the majority of workers are on one side then on the other of the barrier (tenant / owner).

And right now, the guy who bought in 2006,2007,2008 and who is forced to sell is losing money in the same proportions as the one you indicated in gain ...

All that to say that told me that the situation is less clear cut than your karateka suggests

Well, it's not really the subject of the subject

[Christophe]

The situation in the USA does not interest me (and it is a culture of real estate property unlike that of the Europeans, so really not comparable: in the USA we do not buy sustainable real estate to bequeath to our children but "fast and cheap". .).

No more than that of 20 or 30 years ago ...

I'm talking about NOW therefore effectively from 95 to 2005/06: France sinking into social inequality at a level that reaches that of the pre-war period!

All the social and economic heritage of the 30 glorious ones is leaving!

So when an opportunist gets elected by talking about morality, respect as well as job while on the ground it's the opposite... it makes me freak out !!!

Here are 3 sentences that many French people could say to themselves, I dare say them out loud:

a) Pkoi work if the annuity or, conversely, the social minima are more profitable?

b) Pkoi respect others, this stranger, if my own banker whom I have known for so long and in whom I trusted stabbed me in the back by evaporating 30 years of savings?

c) Pkoi be moral whereas "our" presidents or leaders have none or almost none? Ex: sarko's ass story, his divorces, his relocation, his false promises, the lies of the bush to the whole world ...

Attention these are not PERSONAL thoughts ... but they are thoughts of FACILITIES that many people could have at the moment ... it's sad ... this situation is not favorable at all to SOCIAL PEACE ...

[Remundo]

to guarantee peace,

the fact remains that we are living "in a great time"