The Mitsubishi Outlander is entitled to the ecological bonus !!!

[Leo Maximus]

I do not understand ... that there are agreements between the manufacturers on certain parts it is quite logical (style nissan and renault) but that the C-crosser and the 4007 are made entirely at the other end of the world amazes me ...

I do not see how in Japan it would be cheaper than in Europe ... It is a richer country than us and the European assembly channels have, I think, nothing to envy to the Japanese (except perhaps those of toyota 1er worldwide) ...

The 4 x 4 is fashionable, (alas) it sells well and it was the fastest and most economical solution.

Same thing for the PSA particulate filter, we can download a document on the PSA website which states that it should come as no surprise that PSA has installed Ibiden in Japan because Ibiden is the inventor of the filter. particles and they alone have operational production lines.

[Leo Maximus]

4 x 4 french we do not know how to do so as for other products we do elsewhere and we import under a French brand, it does not matter and it's not new.
What is serious is that we import from very far stuff that we know perfectly well here, for example: pickles we no longer produce gherkins in France, we import them ... from India! Ditto for flowers, almost all flowers sold in France come from the Netherlands, while France is a huge garden.

[Christophe]

Well yes Leo ... long live the laws of the market ... now it is also the consumers who make the laws of the market! If we were more looking at the provenance before seeing the price maybe the world would be better off ...

ps: especially that pickles is really not what we miss !!

[Christophe]

Having finally been able to scan the page in question, the scan is ripe because it is a "newspaper" paper in A3 format ... I copied / pasted the notes at the bottom so that they are readable in this compression quality and image size.

[crispus]

Hi Christopher,

Your image is not explicit enough. I slightly retouched



I was too lazy to place "escrology" but that seems pretty clear to me ... It would be necessary to see not to put advertising all the same!

[Gregconstruct]

Not bad editing!

In addition, it is not even beautiful this machine there!

[bolton069]

About Cars and the environment, I join the intervention of Jean-Jacques Jespers (Belgian journalist) in the radio program of "La Première" (Belgium) the dictionary game. (Monday 21 / 01 / 2008)


For those who do not know: it is a program where a band of columnists is asked to invent false definitions: to the guest to find the right one among the proposed definitions.

This one, which I isolated made me laugh!

https://www.econologie.com/fichiers/partager/12011190618ZP3Ao.mp3

It's so true!

[Christophe]

Marrer is not really the right word given the comparison ... but I think that to wake people sometimes, use shocking comparisons like this one ...

As you say: (the fucking mouth) it's so true!

For me a clean car is a car coming out of the Car Wash ... otherwise sorry I do not see ...

[Bougonnator]

Hello,
So be a little less intransigent. An SUV consumes more than a Smart, but to have as much room in the trunk, it would 2 or 3 Smart that pollute more than one Outlander to go on vacation with the family. And families can not have a vehicle for every use.
We do not all have the same needs and we can claim the right to ride different. I'm acting as the devil's advocate, but you have to be a little over-debate and look with the eyes of someone else, or else you're falling into extremism.
For the green premium, OK have to see ..., but a new Outlander Euro4 certainly pollutes less than my sedan 1998, which itself was better than my sedan year IV (20 ventose exactly).
It is not the vehicle that pollutes but the use that one makes of it. Let me explain: I also have a Euro4 vehicle but considered very polluting. But I do not use it to go to the city or to go to the corks of the Parisian suburbs. I keep it for the weekend and during the week I take the kids on foot to school.
In one year I did less than 12Mkm with, vacation included, and I certainly less polluted than someone who would make 25Mkm in Logan or 10Mkm of city with what you want.
You can go down in flames because I have this vehicle, but when I drive in Prius (as much as necessary), I notice that nobody says thank you, or congratulates me. Strange no? However, living in the suburbs I can not come on the capital by bike with my children on the luggage rack to 40km. As for the suburban train at night ... I'll let you try.
To return to the Outlander in diesel version, it is sold by PSA with a PSA engine and by Mitsu with a VAG engine (that of the Golf). When I say where it's made, I'll say it everywhere, like most cars today. Do not think that French cars are built in France, or so little. They come, and more and more, from low-cost countries, ie from Eastern Europe, Latin America, and soon from Asia: the cost of manufacturing by ch ' children is inferior to that of big boat transport.

[Did67]

I just saw that in a flyer: 1500 € "ecological" bonus for the purchase of a new outlander ... uh that wouldn't be almost a 4x4 SUV by any chance? When do we stop the "green nonsense"?

Please note:

1) concerns Belgium ...

2) a priori, it is about a promotion of the manufacturer, skillfully disguised as "green bonus" ...

3) it is absolutely necessary to get consumers used to being on their two brakes when they see "green", "organic" or "terroirs" or something like that ... Unfortunately, you have to train - and help each other - to be a little more "eco-responsible". And scratch what's behind an ad. A manufacturer of "green" 4x4s, it is perhaps necessary to stop being naive. It must be remembered that in marketing schools, we teach the art of conning the consumer to achieve business objectives that will justify the bonuses of the "nice salesman" and create the benefits of businesses ...

I found this on the website of the competent Belgian Ministry:

Starting from the 1 / 07 / 2007, you are entitled to a discount on the invoice when you buy a fuel-efficient car that consumes less energy. This measure replaces the tax reduction that was previously applied for the purchase of such a vehicle. The reductions granted are the same for both measures and differ only in the allocation of the reduction.
A reduction is also granted for vehicles equipped with particle filters.
These measures are intended for individuals (natural persons).

The reductions granted are as follows:

If your car emits less than 105gCO2 / km, you will receive a discount equal to 15% of the purchase price, including VAT, up to a maximum of 3.280 unindexed euros (2007: 4.270 euros indexed)
If your car emits between 105g CO2 / km up to 115gCO2 / km, you will receive a discount equal to 3% of the purchase price, including VAT, up to a maximum of 615 unindexed euros (2007: 800 euros indexed)
A reduction of 150 unindexed euros (2007: 200 indexed euros) is granted when purchasing a new diesel-powered car with a particulate filter that emits at most 5 mg of particles and 130 g CO2 / km.


The Outlander does not fit into these criteria - even what is written in small on the sheet.

The criteria seem to me quite reasonable. Except that as in France, we subsidize Diesel without FAP that can emit a lot of particles ... and that the amounts are in my opinion too insignificant to have a significant impact on the renewal of the park!