Internet advertising: the free content ...

[chatelot16]

advertising funding as used by forum current is bad, and until we find a better solution the negative effects will continue

what should we invent? I think of advertising managed by the forum and not manage by gogol or any intermediary

when an advertiser wants to advertise in a paper newspaper, they pay the newspaper publisher directly! the newspaper is master of the layout of the ad, he does not get his newspaper slaughtered by ad stuck anyway like the ad of some forum

and of course with the direct management of advertising the newspaper does not advertise contrary to the principle it defends

side effect the newspaper cannot hope to make money with the advertising of the manufacturers that it criticizes ... it makes a doubt on the newspapers which make comparison on the cars and which are financed by advertising of the cars: if the newspaper criticizes a manufacturer it will no longer receive advertising ... I am not too afraid of this kind of criticism: when a newspaper or a site gives serious information even those who are criticized have an interest in staying present for to defend oneself

when we see the number of people who try to advertise in messages of forum , it's good that this ad has value ... so why refuse a direct form of ad? why not accept advertising messages, but of course by getting paid and by making them visibly appear in a form showing that it is advertising and not an ordinary message

[Christophe]

You can now make a single or regular donation via this page: https://www.econologie.com/aider-le-site-econologie/

[Christophe]

To diversify the income of forums (and therefore limit the advertising), I just created a Tipeee page https://fr.tipeee.com/econologie-com

Tipeee allows you to tip (Tip in English), micro donations ...

This also makes it possible to make known the econology to other people, but a Tipeee page does not appear in public before 5 regular monthly tips (damn it was not specified during the creation ... or I zapped ) ... 5 people (member of the forum or elsewhere) must therefore make a Tip of 1 € before the page is public on Tipeee (I don't really understand why, perhaps to avoid abuse?)

Otherwise, I advise all those who have a shared project on the internet to make a Tipeee page to make themselves known and finance the thing, I am thinking in particular of Did67 (for the lazy vegetable garden that I cited on Tipee as a realization of the 'econology), Remundo (for its solar or GTE research) or grelinette for its horse-drawn carriage (sorry for all the other econological projects that I have not indicated here) ... So we could do some cross tips;)

If you have some suggestions on content or presentation method, I'm listening (we could especially work on "compensations" in a more interesting way) ... After some suggestions for improvement, I will create a dedicated topic.

Thanks thanks thanks!

[Christophe]

ps: the page https://fr.tipeee.com/become-a-creator summarizes well the operation

So that the web remains a space of creation, freedom and independence

Tipeee is a new form of crowdfunding based on the "Tip" (tip). Our solution is for all creators who provide free and recurring content and who want it to last! Whether you're a youtuber, strip comic strip artist, podcaster, fanzine editor, blogger, if you have a community that follows and supports you, Tipeee is for you.

[Exnihiloest]

More and more people (up to 70% in some categories of online, see item below ...) use advertisements blockers without really understanding the consequence of that use: because blocking the pub is ultimately kill the free content model on the internet that allowed the rise of free content in recent years 20 ...
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Believing that people like me who block ads would not have "really understood" the consequences is an illusion, or a sham, entertained by those who live from this ad or supplement their income with it, and would have us believe that it is a good solution for the whole community.

First of all, it is wrong to say that we would "kill the model of free content on the Internet". Indeed, content without advertising, there is a lot of it, and of excellent quality, and which lives, in particular on the personal sites of competent enthusiasts, on the institutional sites of which it is the mission (including most .edu ) and even on commercial sites which go beyond the simple sale by also providing information.

On the other hand, there are too many advertised content. You can find the same press release on dozens of sites, and without any added value provided by these sites. We even see sites re-appropriating "stolen" content on forum free usenet to add advertising, or copy each other to increase their content and consequently their referencing on Google. Among them, advertising is their only reason for living.

Then the contents themselves, even paid by the advertisement, and even when they are original, are not better for all that. We see sites without any journalist talking to us about politics when it is only opinion, and commenting on often doubtful facts that they have not verified, they have neither the means nor the skills.

Finally (but I am not exhaustive), the Internet was initially without advertising, and traders (in the broad sense of the term), wanted to appropriate it to sell, to the point that they even tried to make illegal blockers of pub. This reason alone is enough to counter them, everyone should be able to install what they want on their PC and configure their browser as they wish.

I use an ad blocker conscientiously, without scruples, and for a good cause. When I do a search on Google, which, with some exceptions, sites with advertising want this referencing, and that I access one of the links provided, it is from the data sought, and mine does not concern advertising. If the site referenced by Google wants to use it while I am not looking for it, I have no reason to answer it, there is deception on the goods.
On the other hand if this "kills" certain sites, as we have seen that there is a plethora and that a large part does not provide any original or valid content, it is in everyone's interest to do so. make. Too many search engine results are at the top of the list of uninteresting commercial sites, to the detriment of personal sites where we often have better information.

What if it killed them all? On the one hand I do not believe it, solutions like "Tipee" will provide for it, it would remain the best, the die-hards while the little sluts are in the straw. But even if that would be the case, I see no problem in principle with a less commercial Internet. We can genocide advertising, it is not advertising that we need, but information on services and products, and advertising does not give any, or so distorted.

[Christophe]

Believing that people like me who block ads would not have "really understood" the consequences is an illusion, or a sham, entertained by those who live from this ad or supplement their income with it, and would have us believe that it is a good solution for the whole community.

I look forward to your tip ...

[sicetaitsimple]

This also makes it possible to make known the econology to other people, but a Tipeee page does not appear in public before 5 regular monthly tips (damn it was not specified during the creation ... or I zapped ) ... 5 people (member of the forum or elsewhere) must therefore make a Tip of 1 € before the page is public on Tipeee (I don't really understand why, perhaps to avoid abuse?)

Specify a little what suits you best, after each do what he wants.

I went to Tipeee and by default it seems to be a monthly tip, but you can also choose a punctual tip.

Let's put, simple example because there are 12 months in the year, that someone wishes to pay 60 € / year, is it more interesting for you and taking into account the mechanics that you describe to have 5 € / month or 60 € at once? I think it's 5 / month but I prefer to be sure.

[Christophe]

Uh good question, the principle of the Tip is the tip so regular support rather than punctual (durability therefore), so € 5 / month a priori is better ... but € 60 / month is good too!

Because in terms of costs, paradoxically, it is better to make a single large Tipeee donation rather than one-off, see this table: https://fr.tipeee.com/about/fees

Avoid paypal with very small donations because the costs are high 28% for a Tip of 1 €, 14.5% for 2 € ... it becomes "reasonable" in credit card from 5 € ... Also the Tips must be declared to the tax authorities and are therefore subject to tax (person physical or company) ... which is an additional expense, but difficult to estimate with a louche ...

Yes you can cancel your regular Tips at any time, if I understood correctly, by credit card they are taken on the 6th of the month. All info on payments are here: https://fr.tipeee.com/about/tippers#chap-paiement

If you register on Tipee you can also support other projects, personally I did it for Hugo Lisoir: https://fr.tipeee.com/hugo-lisoir/tippers
He's a youtuber who makes super interesting space videos!

I will support others ...

ps: I will add the Tip of 5 € / month

[Exnihiloest]

Believing that people like me who block ads would not have "really understood" the consequences is an illusion, or a sham, entertained by those who live from this ad or supplement their income with it, and would have us believe that it is a good solution for the whole community.

I look forward to your tip ...

Suggestion. After the IPCC or Greenpeace masses, I am sure that a quest would be fruitful. Bigots will give. Alas I was not touched by faith, I am only a disbeliever (and I already have my good works).

[Forhorse]

Following the first "anti ad blocker" campaign, I disabled Adblock + for econology. But for a few weeks now, the site has become so heavy that it manages to crash my browser!
There Adblock tells me to block up to 41 ads per page! it's a bit abusive at the pub level! and I understand why my browser crashes.

FYI, my PC at 12 years old is more than enough for my daily use. If I have to change to more powerful just to be able to display more advertising when I am on the net it is not frankly econological ...
So sorry but from now on Adblock will remain activated even for econology and this despite the big ugly bands at the top ...