Resignation of Benedict XVI and the new Pope Francis

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by Janic » 25/03/13, 17:44

If you take literally all the facts in the Bible or elsewhere, I wish you a good night!
it is not about me, I am not the author of the Bible, nor Hebrew formation and even my exegesis of the texts can take only a tiny part sufficient to find that those who criticize this work does not do not know much about it or have a superficial vision. So what is their competence to judge?
when we read all that is said about evolution and its spontaneous generation by chance, it is not a good night, it is a nightmare for researchers and especially biologists!
Re end of HS!
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by Ahmed » 25/03/13, 19:13

Two people answered my riddle: what is the bug of operational rationality?
Both answers are relevant and in a fun way complement each other: Chatelot16 think it's monotheism and Sen-no-sen the fetish of the goods ...
The question is open, both are therefore admissible !: P
For my part, I thought more in general terms and the paradox of the incompleteness of the knowledge of which we are led to draw some certainties. Certitudes which are themselves the foundation of second certainties, in a self-referential system.

On what has been said elsewhere, I think, as Chatelot16 that monotheisms, by nature, are more intolerant than polytheisms (which does not prevent a possible evolution!).

On the subject of the Ten Commandments, a remark, the prohibition of adultery is not only a question of property, literally: it is the means of ensuring the proper transmission of paternal genes.
Another remark: in the New Testament and on the same subject, a complete change of perspective: the mere thought of an adulterous act is equivalent to its accomplishment!
I'm not the only one to have noticed the unrealistic nature of such imperatives!

Regarding the different interpretations that can be made of sacred texts, the subject is extremely delicate because of the different translations and the voluntary or unintentional distortions they contain.

Lastly, there are specialists in comparative religions, who underline the apparent novelty of recent religions, the characters borrowed from earlier religions.
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by Janic » 25/03/13, 20:12

Hamed good evening
On the subject of the Ten Commandments, a remark, the prohibition of adultery is not only a question of property, literally: it is the means of ensuring the proper transmission of paternal genes.
quite right, where for more accuracy so that paternity which allows inheritance transmission, don't worry! From where the condemnation to death of the adulterine woman and the man where, to use the formula: "Mom on, dad can be"
Leviticus 20: 10 If a man commits adultery with a married woman, if he commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterous man and woman will be put to death.

The Koran has a fairly similar approach. Similarly in case of divorce the woman can live with her future husband only after a few months (6 I think) to ensure that the woman does not bear child of her previous husband

Another remark: in the New Testament and on the same subject, a complete change of perspective: the mere thought of an adulterous act is equivalent to its accomplishment!

Matthew 5-28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to covet her has already committed adultery with her in her heart.
This text must be placed in its context, which is addressed to legalists who consider that as long as they do not sleep with another's wife, they may desire it with peace of mind. Jesus therefore reminds them that the law condemns, in his mind, not only the act but also the desire of it (be it adultery, murder, etc. ..) it refers, for an Israelite to David and his desire for the wife of one of his officers.
21 You have heard that it was said to the ancients, Thou shalt not kill; whoever kills is liable to judgment.
22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother is liable to judgment; whoever will say to his brother, Raca! deserves to be punished by the Sanhedrin; and whoever says to him, Fool! deserves to be punished by the fire of Gehenna
. and then :
«29 If your right eye is an occasion for you to fall, tear it out and throw it away from you; for it is profitable for you that one of your members should perish, and your whole body not be thrown into hell.
30 And if your right hand is an occasion for you to fall, cut it off and throw it away from you; for it is profitable for you that one of your members should perish, and your whole body not go into hell. " At that time, transgressions were severely punished until cutting hands or tearing eyes, Jesus encourages them to self-harm rather than sin (which no sane individual would do), it is an incentive to do not judge others, when you are not clean yourself. This point will then be repeated when asked if the adulterous woman should be stoned and he answers to the doctors of the law who want to trap him. that one of you who has never sinned throws the first stone And all are deserted! Jesus is a rabbi himself and teaches that the law is not only a letter, but also a spirit.
I'm not the only one to have noticed the unrealistic nature of such imperatives!
In agreement with you, no law has ever prevented anyone from transgressing it, its role is dissuasive and protective for others. Thus it is forbidden to drive without a license, and therefore without insurance, which does not prevent some of them from doing so; but in case of accident the offender did not leave the hostel and the possible victims strongly wish that in this case, they are protected by the law and covered by the insurance. This is the purpose of the laws!
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by Ahmed » 25/03/13, 20:36

In your last point, I spoke of the trial of intent and not of a constituted "offense": your answer therefore falls short ....
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by Janic » 26/03/13, 07:41

hamed hello
In your last point, I spoke of the trial of intent and not of a constituted "offense": your answer therefore falls short ....
I had understood it! But as in biblical exegesis a text taken from its context is generally distorted (like the small sentences in politics like the last of "Mélanchon" for example), I tried to give a limited environment for those who do not have the texts. evoked before the eyes.
On the other hand, but I did not want to burden my intervention, all this is in no way significant if we dissociate it from its spiritual dimension. Human adultery is only an image of the relationship man / woman related to the dimension god / Israel and in general the humanity: thus report creator / creation. The carnal human act as its intention is only a pretext for teaching.
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by Christophe » 26/03/13, 11:08

Janic, I know that the subject is close to your heart but we are moving away from the pope there no?

I wonder if I will not split this topic into a new one ...

"Theology and interpretation of the bible"

It would be like title?
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by Janic » 26/03/13, 13:24

christophe hello
Janic, I know that the subject is close to your heart but we are moving away from the pope there no?

Yes and no at the same time because without bible, no Christianity and no Christianity = no pope either!
There was a topic on intelligent design that had the advantage of not being targeted religion, but as an option other than mere chance. Now, and this is where I find it a pity, exchanges constantly bring back religions that are only human systems linked to political-religious interests, whereas spirituality is foreign to them.
"Theology and interpretation of the bible"

I do not think that a subject is necessary, it risks bringing back to religious confrontations as it happens on forums devoted to the subject and that I flee like the plague (it is only insults and invective!) Remember Dede's invective!
I give my opinion only as an exegete of the Bible (when it relates to it and thus evoked) as others are exegetes of quantum mechanics or tropical butterflies; and not as a religious or anti-religious party.
Or the kind of "spirituality and materialism" which leaves the door open to all without religious or atheist exclusivity because spirituality does not belong to religions.
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by gegyx » 05/01/23, 22:24

Funeral of Pope Emeritus Benoit XVI / Joseph Ratzinger
The unavailable president, the interior minister Gérald Darmanin was there.

But the presence of Joe Biden (yet Catholic) was not desired... Ah! Good ? : Lol:
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by Janic » 06/01/23, 08:03

But the presence of Joe Biden (yet Catholic) was not desired... Ah! Good ?
it is worth remembering that the Catholic pope wears two hats. That of religious leader of Roman Catholicism, the other of being the political leader of a state that is the Vatican. The two do not always mix well! :(
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