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by Macro » 16/12/14, 20:08

Leave it or it is ... All these relics arrive at the end of their calendar life (battery, engine, charger clculos) everything had been planned so that it does not last ... The pieces are can not find those who had sniffed the right blow sell them in the drip and often expensive ... Without guarantee. I paid the price for 18mois ... Believe me rather a small corsa 1.5D isuzu engine or sax 1.5D You can use 10 for the cost price of one of these cars for 2 years ...
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by dirk pitt » 16/12/14, 20:18

Macro wrote:Leave it where it is ... All these relics arrive at the end of their life cycle (battery, engine, charger clculos) everything had been planned so that it does not last ...


macro, it is not because you had a bad experience that you have to denigrate these vehicles which contrary to what you say were conceived well before the phenomenon of d? programmed obsolescence. the interior of the SAGEM case in particular, is remarkably well designed.
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by Macro » 16/12/14, 20:28

Dirk pitt ..You are reading forum VE PSA topic is full of failures of chargers, batterries, engine, sagem boxes .... It is used dead and it even falls down without serving ... It is clear that never again I would give an opinion positive on these cars, it's my right and my duty to warn the gents before they make a stupidity ... No one except a few passionate fans is able to maintain or repair them. would say Citro leaves it to those who know ...
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by I Citro » 16/12/14, 22:56

Hello everybody
Well, they want me to say things. : Lol:

The most important has already been said. The rest is available on the forum vehicules.fr which is THE site specialized to know everything about these wonderful cars.
A vehicle without batteries is called a "paperweight", ie wreck. The fact that the vehicle is non-functional means that many components may be out of service and their condition cannot be verified.
Its real value is not much greater than its weight in metal. It is a bit more interesting for those wishing to take spare parts for another EV or to replace an accidental vehicle by installing the batteries and the mechanical press on the clipboard. of the accident vehicle.

Our dear Macro began, despite our recommendations, to buy such a vehicle that it resold without being able to overcome it. He is a friend who has recovered, despite his expertise, he had a lot of work to get it back on the road, all the electronics was out of order ...
He then bought his Saxo from an individual, experienced many failures and learning on the job was painful and expensive.

In short, I strongly advise against such a purchase to "discover the VE". As stated dirk pitt, we find complete EVs or functional at less than 1000â,¬.
Right now, an 106 4 gates, in a remarkable condition is for sale at 2000â,¬ on Bordeaux. But it remains preferable that it does not move away too much, the maintenance facilities being without equivalent in this place ...
There are many connoisseurs of these vehicles everywhere in France, but vehicles age and claim careful monitoring.

Finally, you have used a pendular use of only 4 times 4 kilometers that could be suitable for a much more rational, light, virtuous, efficient vehicle:
- Electric bicycle 25 or 45kmh (homologated cyclo)
- Electric scooter
- Vélomobile assisted,
... can be great alternatives to enter the community of motorists. : Idea:

dirk pitt started with the pedelec, then the scoot'elec and the car, I started with a scoot'élec, then the car and I hope to evolve to the VAE to replace the scoot 'Ã © lec.

The electric vehicle market also confirms this trend with an "explosion" in sales of electric bicycles (VAE) and a relative stagnation or even regression in sales of electric scooters. Only the more powerful 2 wheels (motorcycles and scooters equivalent to 125cm3 or more) start to take off due to a growing supply but remain confidential and very expensive.
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by Macro » 17/12/14, 00:31

citro wrote:Hello everybody
Well, they want me to say things. : Lol:

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"leave it to those who know" are the own words you once addressed to me on the subject of electric mobility here or elsewhere but I think it is here ... (I have the annoying habit of remembering words that upset me)
Your own words elsewhere regarding the reliability of psa electric motors:
In the opinion of an engineer from Leroy Somer who had set up the PSA engine production line, Leroy Somer provided the worst material they could ...
They took some very rustic generator parts that they had "on the shelf" and put them together to make a "motor". :?
Excessive air gaps, the section of the brushes (notoriously insufficient), the limited speed of rotation, the drive shaft passing through the motor (too long, insufficiently guided, causing upwelling, ...) , engine cooling that blows dust from the brushes in the engine, clogs it and causes insulation faults, ...

These engines are designed not to last, a height for an electric motor ...
Power, torque, volume and mass are not what you're looking for on a vehicle.


So please do not make me look like an idiot when I've brought someone to the galleries that he exposes to ...
the chargers that slam the batterries that pet and engines that do not care for isolation ...

these ancestors are to book at conaisseurs ... otherwise it's bankruptcy ...

With a corsa 1.5d bought 300â,¬ at the same time as my sax a colleague traveled 40 000km (and still rolls today) without strictly do any maintenance ..
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by Macro » 17/12/14, 08:50

AXEAU wrote:Hello,
This vehicle is to replace the AX diesel end of breath for the journey of work (8 kms x4) / day.Dà © niveléà © of 50m, few vehicles met, really a course without encroaches for a VE .
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50 meters of altitude on 8km ... With a VE of old generation, of one, you will find the time very long, of two you will blow your batterries and your engine ...

Personally on my travels home work I passed from 78 to 51 meters in the morning is 27metres of altitude in 26km she then consumed in gray snail mode (35km // h of average on the travels) about 20 has 22% of the total capacity battery batterrie, the evening to make the opposite way it took almost double against less cluttered I had to do in 40 km / h average on the runs.
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by I Citro » 17/12/14, 11:36

Macro wrote:Personally on my travels home work I passed from 78 to 51 meters in the morning is 27metres of altitude in 26km she then consumed in gray snail mode (35km // h of average on the travels) about 20 has 22% of the total capacity battery batterrie, the evening to make the opposite way it took almost double against less cluttered I had to do in 40 km / h average on the runs.
At 6 in the morning, bypass, we can not get past the 50kmh average on the 18km to go to work because of the kilometer to reach the ring road and to leave it between the exit and the box.
In the evening with the fluid but dense ring road (average 75kmh average on the ring road), the total average of the trip falls well below 30kmh.

But then, you roll like crazy. : Lol:

The Corsa cars were ultra-economical and easy to maintain (the clutch was replaced in 20 minutes without falling the box). I doubt that this is still the case ...
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by Remundo » 17/12/14, 13:24

Macro is pretty good !!

An old woman smoking less than 1000â,¬ is much more powerful with much less maintenance than a PSA Gen1.

And yet I find these cars quite good. The problem is that there is ZERO SAV, and not everyone can devote their life to pampering Titine Electrique and unearthing such or such a capacitor or calculator ... not to mention their "free installation" style "by being afraid of doing bullshit with every screwdriver.
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by Macro » 17/12/14, 15:50

citro wrote:
Macro wrote:Personally on my travels home work I passed from 78 to 51 meters in the morning is 27metres of altitude in 26km she then consumed in gray snail mode (35km // h of average on the travels) about 20 has 22% of the total capacity battery batterrie, the evening to make the opposite way it took almost double against less cluttered I had to do in 40 km / h average on the runs.
At 6 in the morning, bypass, we can not get past the 50kmh average on the 18km to go to work because of the kilometer to reach the ring road and to leave it between the exit and the box.
In the evening with the fluid but dense ring road (average 75kmh average on the ring road), the total average of the trip falls well below 30kmh.

But then, you roll like crazy. : Lol:

The Corsa cars were ultra-economical and easy to maintain (the clutch was replaced in 20 minutes without falling the box). I doubt that this is still the case ...


You do 18km on a ring road ... I do 26km on departmental ... With the sax I was only in the green to econometre and I was far from riding like crazy ... I even a faith stopped by the gendarmerie for excess of slowness ... It is not complicated the timekeeper of my taff speaks..I have never pointed 15mn ahead of time or I drove in sax electric since the month of July ... You would see the number of scores in advance that caused me requests for justifications .... and again in the morning .. It goes down ... I did not point to the arrival At home at night ...

For the corsa 1.5D I speak about Corsa 2 phase and 3 with the 1.5D ISUZU these cars are camel small engine small cash functionellle, small tires running gear minimalist, enduring performing brief small German (manufactured I believe in Spain) out pairs ..my colleague is a real brute without any pity ..It happens to tow a trailer of more than 3tonnnes with it systematically pushes all reports to 3500rpm minima ...

It was even he who had motivated me more or less motivated to electromobility he regrets today to have told me about it ... The old psa were cars designed with great subsidies unusable subsidies as a working tool .. As you say so well when talking about their engines. Not designed to last ...
Frankly when my electric motor specialist has measured my motor insulation failures has not even 60 000km ..Qu'ont took account of the engine turns made ... he really wondered about the origin of the manufacture. low-end chinoix ca takes longer ...
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by AXEAU » 17/12/14, 20:30

As a savvy man is worth more I'll stay on a steaming AX. I only make 5700 kms over a year and the fuel budget is far from the price of batteries.
I also meet a Twizzi, the line is nice but it has all the disadvantages of the bike.

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