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by Woodcutter » 31/05/08, 01:19

gegyx wrote:[...] There, justice is derailed:

"A French court annulled a marriage because the wife had lied about her virginity. A first judicial. "
http://www.leparisien.fr/home/info/vivr ... _298532505
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We have to keep a slightly critical mind about what the media are saying ... This marriage was canceled at the request of both spouses ...
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by gegyx » 31/05/08, 13:11

Yes, I had posted the night of the new 29.
Since that has evolved.
I found it bizarre, the amalgam "cancellation-no virginity" ...

It is the use of this article of law (lie on the essential qualities) that raises questions that could evolve.

It is the misjudgment of the judge, who used this cause, for lying.
There is no equality (on the man the virginity is unverifiable), and obvious relation with the religions (state laic).

Now in this story, this judgment "avoided" a divorce by mutual consent.
It made everyone happy.
And the woman is much better, separated from this scrogneugneu man.

Forced marriage annulment is common.

This did not prevent the position of Elisabeth Badinter, ministers Morano, Valerie Létard, Fadela Amara.

The Secretary of State for City Policy, Fadela Amara, does not hesitate to speak of a "real fatwa against the emancipation of women". "It's a real scandal (...) I thought we were talking about a verdict in Kandahar", she declared. "There are devices - editor's note: in the law - which make it possible to make this kind of judgment, she said, they must be changed. If there is the possibility of an appeal, obviously I will take it ", she added.

http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/actualit ... tions.html

In addition, a referral to the Court of Cassation "in the interest of the law" will not be able to call into question the judgment of the Lille court annulling the marriage, but is only likely to change case law, a source explained on Friday. judicial.

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Do not report a serious illness to your future spouse, may cause thought, but how far ???

I take an example: a gentleman with good eyesight, will marry a woman who wears glasses (astigmatism, she says).
In fact it's myopia. Children are likely to be nearsighted, especially boys. If that did not suit the future spouse, he would not have married. And he can cancel the marriage for lying.

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I report an anecdote lived today, where a couple were celebrating their diamond wedding, in front of the Mayor.
During his speech, the Mayor addresses the groom:
"Well, Jeannot, you do not do me the blow of the marriage annulment, because of the virginity of your wife! "

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by quartz » 31/05/08, 13:43

Hello everybody :D

There we enter the problems of consumption and hidden screws !!
Are you going to be able to attack 15 spouse after the marriage to have given genes not very fresh to his offspring ???

I guess American lawyers are already studying prudential juries on the subject, they are capable of anything to scratch 1 $.

Have a nice day anyway.
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by Ahmed » 31/05/08, 15:13

You are right, Gegix, what poses a problem is not so much the lie but what it relates to, and it is on this point that the jurisprudence can be debated. The concept of "essential quality" assumes something substantial and relatively objective, I believe this is what the case law admits, otherwise it would have to be revised in this direction.
I agree with your comments, with one comment:
... and obvious relationship with religions (secular state).

The question of female virginity refers to the problem of paternal filiation in archaic patriarchal societies. It is a notion that predates Islam and other religions. It is therefore external to these religions, even if some have integrated it.
Even if it is pure speculation on my part, I can not help but think that this woman lying and then revealing the truth had to be convinced that her husband (or in-laws? ) would be understanding. Therefore, in my opinion, the annulment of the marriage should result less from the partial lie of the wife than from the backwardness of her husband.
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by Flytox » 31/05/08, 19:20

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Woodcutter wrote:.. This marriage was canceled at the request of both spouses ...


There is another variable to consider, did the wife "have a gun to her head" to say that she agreed to the cancellation? Usually religions, which operate with such archaic "concepts" (virginity), are not very respectful of women and do not give them much rights, apart from obeying men, husbands, fathers, brothers etc. .....:frown:
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by georges100 » 31/05/08, 19:51

remains to define virginity : Cheesy:

am going to be a bit of a bastard : Cheesy:

I was chatting someday with a black feet, old enough to run girls early 60 ...
religion was not his thing ... but he liked to hang out with young girls from the Jewish community who had to arrive at marriage virgins ... but as he said "the other orifices had served a lot". ...
how everything is relative : Cheesy:
the big question is whether a medical certificate of virginity can replace the apprehension of the human qualities of a person ...

Still, I wonder what head would have made the guy if his wife had told her that she was a virgin but made a living on her knees in the sanisettes : Cheesy:

it's funny when there is a Muslim involved what it generates as a controversy : Cheesy:
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by Bibiphoque » 02/06/08, 14:47

Hello,
Ben anyway, it's rappé for surgeons rebuilding hymen! : Mrgreen:
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by gegyx » 02/06/08, 22:52

Rachida Dati, Minister of Justice, Minister of Justice, did not ask the prosecution to appeal?

Ah, she just agreed 2 months later.
There must be cultural barriers!

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by georges100 » 02/06/08, 23:17

it's not 2 months but 3 days : Cheesy:
I will remember that for some time nothing exists if it did not appear in the press : Cheesy:
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by bpval » 03/06/08, 10:17

Hello

This resumption of court decision by the media looks very much like a consensual "post" unearthing story to excite us other than on the price of oil

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