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Asgard bone tyr
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by Asgard bone tyr » 10/04/06, 18:45

I remain open to any proposal !!!
But as it discouraged me to see that everyone says and does a lot of stuff "no matter how" (totally disunited !!!), I do not come very often on this site!
those who want to do something serious know where to find me !!!
as you say PIT, my goal is to put everyone in front of certain realities !!! (including me)
This is why, as you say, there are not many who are ready to take the step !!!
YOU said not getting results !!! (not enough validation on bench)
OK but between my exp and that of some other who had it, there is a way to conclude a lot of thing it seems to me !!! I have not all analyzed it thoroughly, but in some assemblies, there are errors that could be avoided !!!
what's the point of transmitting info, if that's what goes to the hatch !!!
So for my part I remain available, for any validation, advice, conference or internship or other for those who really want to put !!! there is a job ready for the world! : Mrgreen: A+
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by PITMIX » 10/04/06, 21:11

Hi kevin
You said that on my car what you didn't think was good was the restriction on the exhaust.
Other people say the opposite.
This is not why you should drop the case and say that all those who do not think like you are necessarily wrong.
This is a forum of discussing.
As I have said over and over again forum needs experienced people to guide novices like me.
André intervenes in each post for help but it is good to have several bell sounds so that everyone can form an opinion.
I was happy to welcome you on my post when you made the remark on my exhaust but you were not further.
I told you that for me the problem did not come entirely from there since other people have the same configuration and it works.
I would have liked you to deepen.
You had already started to do it in MP.
Now if you prefer that we discuss it in person I am ready to meet you it's true that it is more concrete than the forum.
See you soon, I hope...
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by Asgard bone tyr » 10/04/06, 21:45

No problem to discuss it in person !!! on the contrary : Cheesy:
the remark that I made on your escape line, comes only from the fact when making force your gas modifies one of the original parameter, and it is not yet enough on the subject to allow this to me advice to play the above !!!
and as said André as and as we try to change the discourse !!! for my part, I remain for the moment on my position pending proof to the contrary !!!
I do not say that those who do not think like me we twist, but what jdit is 50000km, 3passage on the bench and more than a dozen anti pollution tests !!! it is ptetre not much but good! !!still!
actually the passage of gas is not the only parameter to take into account !!! far from it! also the depression at the adm the flow the length and ts and ts ...
If you know someone who has results with an assembly similar to yours, let him come to the bench, this is the best way to establish the right parameters to take into account! info that will allow ts novis to understand and have results! worse in case, my advices we have already allowed some novis to have encouraging results !!! jsais not ts, but 7proto on my r21 + sque j quoted above, gives me a step back
: Mrgreen: It's always good to take!!!
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by PITMIX » 10/04/06, 22:43

parfais
let's agree for an appointment. I have a cart timetable but there must be a way to see it sooner or later.
For someone else like me it's dead. I'm the only crazy person who makes his engine eat water in the area. : Cheesy: : Cheesy:
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by Other » 11/04/06, 00:50

Hello
The restriction on the exhaust is a necessary evil to have heat and more particularly on a turbo diesel
For a petrol engine there is sufficient heat provided that the vehicle is loaded a little, but since I am trying to run the reactor at the usual speed, ie 100km and less with displacements of more than 3 liters ma way of seeing things is different, than if i put a panton on an engine that works almost always open at 75% of its power.
but when we talk about restriction we must understand the limit in an engine is the passage to the threshold of the exhaust valve, we should not go below that,
as i said it has a way to make a weak restriction like the venturis it channels the heat it prevents the gases from expanding, the heat must go to the reactor and not to the walls of the exhaust pipe.
Now the exhaust pipes at the cylinder head outlet in a good engine are calculated so that the gases are released so they cool and flow quickly, calculated for a maximum speed, so when you run at mid speed and less the pipe is in a generous dimension, the manufacturers do not lay variable ducts there are very specific formulas which take into account the stroke and the displacement, pistons
The length of the duct must also be taken into account
In a given engine measured on a bench one can gain up to 20% of power between an exhaust pipe of 0,5 meter and with a pipe of 1,5 meter long at 3000rpm
There is an ideal hose length for each RPM regime

It also depends on the manufacturers On the Mercedes 300TD
the rear exhaust pipe of the turbo is 65 mm for a 3-liter engine On the 3,8-liter Chevrolet petrol engine the pipe is 49mm quite a difference GM and Benz engineers do not have the same calculation tables!
When we talk about reduction it must be expressed in% of the original conduit.

Now if someone tells me that the heat level is not necessary for the reactor, I will revise my procedure.
What I know there is a minimum for it to work, to say that it works better if we heat the reactor to 1000c this remains to be proven .. (and it is not because the performance of the reactor increases with the load that only heat is the cause)
It's up to us to find out why it doesn't always work

Andre
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by Asgard bone tyr » 13/04/06, 13:03

for my par respect the diameter or almost (too restrictive direction) of the exhaust line, and with reactor 20 cm from collector sense insulation (the rod is mounted at 350dregre), I got encouraging results (at speed constant!!!)
So as you say André, the heat is not the only important factor ds this principle !!!
In my opinion it is necessary to analyze the prototypes which have given results and disséké the parameters taken into consideration !!! instead of doing a lot of testing each in his corner !!! that would save us all time !!! that everyone is missing !!! : Mrgreen:
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by Lietseu » 10/04/07, 14:40

Christophe wrote: I started writing the statutes, it's progressing well :)

On the other hand, I would like to know if people present here would be interested to constitute the CA (the office) ... Knowing that this will ask them legal obligations and time ... I am not sure (for the moment but I continues to potash the sites) that with Christine (my girlfriend) we can legally create since we have the same address ...


Hi you my namesake! The most gag being that I lived for 12 years and had a Gwenaël with ... a Christine!
The idea of ​​making an association seems to me great, the asking price seems correct, let's go!

If her kicks you, I'm also in Belgium, we meet when you want!
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by Lietseu » 10/04/07, 14:53

Andre wrote:Hello
The restriction on the exhaust is a necessary evil to have heat and more particularly on a turbo diesel
For a petrol engine there is sufficient heat
Andre


hi Andrew


Regarding my idea of ​​splitting the exhaust of an internal combustion engine, using copper does anyone (you?) Have any idea of ​​the temperature of the exhaust gases as a function of the distance from the manifold? in the distance, in the hot - but at what distance from the source could we put copper without it burning? These also, to know where I should put the pantone on a two-cylinder Kawa ... and what are the observations regarding the ideal temperature for the "reactor" (it has the shape not?), The assembly on the bike, must be very neat, I'm looking for someone who would dare to throw it in, I'm pretty skillful but stuck with my broken back ...
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by Lietseu » 10/04/07, 15:00

Asgard bone tyr wrote:for my par respect the diameter or almost (too restrictive direction) of the exhaust line, and with reactor 20 cm from collector sense insulation (the rod is mounted at 350dregre), I got encouraging results (at speed constant!!!)
So as you say André, the heat is not the only important factor ds this principle !!!
In my opinion it is necessary to analyze the prototypes which have given results and disséké the parameters taken into consideration !!! instead of doing a lot of testing each in his corner !!! that would save us all time !!! that everyone is missing !!! : Mrgreen:



Hello
Completely agree with what you said, so I share the idea and the proposal of grouping, at your disposal and do not fail to contact you even by email, we all have ideas full of coffee and very want to collaborate together so ... 8)
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by louphil » 29/02/08, 15:07

To refocus the subject and continue on the idea launched by vincent27, I dig up this subject, because I have an idea that has been running around in my head for some time already ... What triggered this idea is Pascal HaPham's trilobic piston machine. What comforted her were the diverse and varied additional finds from Remundo (piston-controlled piston engine) and the same Pascal (biplane rotary wind turbine) ...

The idea: we know that the development of an idea, the construction of a prototype generate often unavoidable expenses, and especially important, not necessarily within the reach of any mown but clever individual. I was thinking of creating an association in order to financially help an isolated researcher to realize his idea. Obviously, the idea of ​​a product should not be registered / patented, although ... but protected in the same way as free software or a work to ensure authorship ...
Thus, everyone could participate in the development of the idea (see the post on the trilo which puts me on the ass
https://www.econologie.com/forums/machine-ro ... t1455.html ) and part of the membership fees could contribute to the funding of prototypes, measures, etc ...

For this, there would not necessarily be the need for the creation of regional delegations ???

I think it would be a good way for an interesting find not to be forgotten ...
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