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by Gregconstruct » 28/12/07, 19:47

Ok with you cuicui, but it's still conditional !!!

Given the experience we have nuclear, I prefer not to believe it too !!! :|
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by Arthur_64 » 28/12/07, 20:44

Let us say that the current tracks are only improvements / optimizations of the nuclear generators of the first times.

Tracks such as deuterium / boron fusion are obscured automatically because they are considered only possible in theory ...
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by jean63 » 29/12/07, 00:41

Arthur_64 wrote:There is indeed a network of environmentalists for the nuclear industry, including John LOVELOCK (the Gaia hypothesis).

Hey, it's funny .... there is a book lying around here these vacations that my sons are reading .... and it is "The earth is a living being" -the GAÏA hypothesis- by James LOVELOCK !!!! : Lol:

I said to myself;: I will have to read it, but frankly I never imagined that this doctor, cyberneticist, bilogist and independent English researcher is pro-nuclear. Inventor of the "electron capture detector", he was an advisor to NASA in the sixties for the development of various space programs.

Frankly with such a title, can not expect that the author is a defender of nuclear! When we see what caused Chernobyl for the moment and what will cost the international community the construction of the sarcophagus by Bouygues and Vinci (2 French construction groups) to build the new sarcophagus that will never last long enough to prevent any future irradiation is scary to hear such arguments from a scientist .... or else he is crazy to bind.

It is too dangerous for humanity this proliferation of civilian nuclear and military in the world ... or so the world will have a lot of luck .... but difficult to believe.

Bravo Mr LOVELOCK !! : Evil:
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by jean63 » 29/12/07, 00:51

Gregconstruct wrote:Ok with you cuicui, but it's still conditional !!!

Given the experience we have nuclear, I prefer not to believe it too !!! :|

I agree with you. Not to mention the proliferation of civilian power stations in the world that will have to secure and that will grow old, but what will we leave as a legacy to future generations; I do not even dare to think about it.

I have already written on another post, that futs of waste coming from La Hague leave by whole trains in Siberia to be stored in the open air, of or corrosion of these futs until the drilling and spreading of radioactivity in this region, because wait for the solution to store in place on all these waste that have lifetimes of thousands or millions of years, it is a real ecological scam.

Poor GAÏA !!! it is badly blocked with current humans (especially when they are scientists) who want to play sorcerer's apprentices. : Evil:
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by Gregconstruct » 29/12/07, 08:10

Think nuclear equal solution of the future, it is not thinking further than the tip of his nose! : Evil:
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by Arthur_64 » 29/12/07, 09:50

More about Lovelock's position:
http://www.ecolo.org/media/articles/art ... ecolo.html


Nuclear Clean is a solution for the future, not these improved steam engines:

Fusion Hydrogen-1-boron-11 (sorry, no deuterium-boron: careless error) => Result: no neutron, three cute helium atoms: there is worse waste! You can play Daffy's voice like that!

And the fuels themselves are dangerous (of course, hydrogen is to be handled with care).

Well, it takes 1 billion degrees ... If we think of the Z-machine, we can largely reach them!

Oops, the subject deviates a little ...
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by Gregconstruct » 29/12/07, 09:57

Arthur, do you have any actions in there ??? : Lol:
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by Arthur_64 » 29/12/07, 11:19

Not even !

Let's say that even if I do not consider that this is a panacea, I find it a shame that this track is not explored ...
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by jean63 » 29/12/07, 11:54

Arthur_64 wrote:More about Lovelock's position:
http://www.ecolo.org/media/articles/art ... ecolo.html

Nuclear Clean is a solution for the future, not these improved steam engines:

Fusion Hydrogen-1-boron-11 (sorry, no deuterium-boron: careless error) => Result: no neutron, three cute helium atoms: there is worse waste! You can play Daffy's voice like that!

And the fuels themselves are dangerous (of course, hydrogen is to be handled with care).

Well, it takes 1 billion degrees ... If we think of the Z-machine, we can largely reach them!

Oops, the subject deviates a little ...


"1 billion degrees" ....... : Evil: : Evil: ....... you find that it is at the HUMAN scale such a temperature :!: :!: : Evil: : Evil:

Frankly we are in a deep delirium; we can't even imagine what it can represent even to get this: " Fusion Hydrogen-1-boron-11 (sorry, no deuterium-boron: careless error) => Result: no neutron, three cute helium atoms : there is worse as waste!".

NO but I dream. Decomposing the material to this point is totally frightening ..... we do not control anything anymore.

If man had agreed to live with what nature provides him, we would not be there.

I find it sad and ironic that the United Kingdom, whose environment and climate scientists are world leaders, rejects their warnings and advice and prefers to listen to the environmentalists. I am an ecologist and I implore my friends engaged in these movements to abandon their stubborn opposition to nuclear energy.

Even if they were right about its dangers - and this is not the case - its use around the world as the main source of energy would constitute an insignificant threat compared to the dangers of unbearable and deadly heat waves and rising sea levels that would drown all the world's coastal cities.

We do not have time to experiment with our visionary energy sources. Civilization is in imminent danger and must now use nuclear energy - the only secure and available source of energy - or endure the suffering that will soon be inflicted on our outraged planet.

James Lovelock


"an insignificant threat": apparently, but we have how many years of hindsight ...... insignificant compared to the lifespan of the radioactive compounds of the heart or of the waste ..... really we do not want looking far across the universe and our little and great-grandchildren .... it's totally scary.

Heatwaves and glaciations, there have been plenty since man was on earth, not to mention large-scale epidemics, and humanity is still there; but let's imagine the day when radioactivity will be everywhere and spread death slowly over the earth ......

Warming by CO2 of course is a reality, but rising water will push men back into the land ... and then.

There is nothing worse than uncontrolled radioactivity, which is currently the case. : Evil: : Evil: : Evil:
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by Cuicui » 29/12/07, 13:40

jean63 wrote:"1 billion degrees" ....... : Evil: : Evil: ....... you find that it is at the HUMAN scale such a temperature :!: :!: : Evil: : Evil: NO but I dream. Decomposing the material to this point is totally frightening ..... we do not control anything anymore.

In 2006, the z-machine reached 3,7 billion degree, with a device that was not even planned for that! We can do a lot better. Current H bombs: deuterium-tritium fusion (radioactive). A magnetic compression plant aims to control the hydrogen-boron (non-radioactive) fusion with a technology that comes from the current means. Funding is lacking to move from theory to practice.
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