Renault Twingo III: Propulsion and rear engine.

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by Remundo » 15/02/14, 07:55

it's not easy to balance a powered car that also has the engine in the back ... by putting everything that is heavy in the back (engine, gearbox, transmission ...), buy bags cement to put in the front trunk : Mrgreen:

It normally takes at least half the weight on the front axle, which is remembered, is directional... especially when it is a propulsion that tends to push straight ...

BMW for example, which is probably a bit less naïve, puts its 6 cylinders + box in line in front of ...

in short, this car will roll, but will probably not be excellent in handling.

it is also in terms of design a copy-pasted Fiat500.
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by SixK » 15/02/14, 08:52

Eh eh !! Same when I saw the Twingo III, my first reaction was "Whaaaa Renault made a Fiat 500 !!! :) Super original !!! ";)

Well ... why not.

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by raymon » 15/02/14, 09:45

It seems to me that the cox and the r8 had a cantilever engine at the rear a slightly more forward engine and lighter (a 3 cylinder) it may be different. the weight of the engine may be less important than that of a cox or r8 which was probably cast iron. Sometimes a few centimeters and a few kilograms change everything.
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by Leo Maximus » 15/02/14, 18:32

The Cox, like the R8, was 4 cylinders.

The R8 and the Twingo III do not have much to do.

On the R8, the driver is in the central position, even a little behind it, since the high back of the front seats is visible through the rear window. The engine (longitudinal) is cantilevered behind the rear axle.

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On the Twingo III the driver position is more advanced and the (transverse) engine is in front of the rear axle. There is no cantilever neither in the front nor in the back. Nothing to do with the R8.

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I have never driven Fiat 500 (2th generation I specify) but it is deemed to have a very good handling. See the tests on the web.

Today, the design is international and, AMHA, Twingo III and Fiat 500 II had the same designers.
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by Flytox » 15/02/14, 19:16

For those who believe that the rear overhang engine is bullshit ... There is the history of A110 Renault Berlinette to contradict them : Mrgreen:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_A110

The A110 always benefits from a steel frame-beam with a fiberglass-polyester body and a rear overhang engine. The main difference with the A108 is the enlarged rear to accommodate the new four-cylinder Renault four-bladed engine.

Like the A108, the A110 is available in the "Tour de France" berlinette and cabriolet. The new body of the 2 + 2 (2 places + 2) GT4 coupe is manufactured by Chappe and Gessalin.

The car has built its international reputation thanks to the competition. It skims all the national rallies and wins a lot of victories. Seating several champions of France at the wheel.Its international career begins at the end of the 60 years, and the beginning of the 1970 years in the new international championship of constructors in rally. Winning the majority of events in Europe, it is the most successful rally car in 1971, the beginning of a unique history in motor sport against Porsche 911 and Lancia Fulvia. Among his notable victories, the A110 won the Monte Carlo Rally with the Swedish driver Ove Andersson. A110 racing, factory or private will have the best preparer of the moment, the famous Marc Mignotet whose engines were the most powerful, they are now very popular in the following variations: 1 296 cm3 (125 ch), 1 596 cm3 (155 ch), and 1 790 cm3 (175 ch) then 1 860 cm3 (190 ch).

In 1973, after the complete takeover of Alpine by Renault, the international championship is replaced by a new world rally championship for manufacturers. Renault decided to participate with the A110 and with a team including pilots Jean-Claude Andruet, Bernard Darniche, Jean-Pierre Nicolas and Jean-Luc Thérier. The A110 1800 Group IV1 wins seven races making Alpine the first world rally champion.


Those who have had the opportunity to drive the bugle keep a moving memory like a car fun / effective to drive.
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by Remundo » 15/02/14, 19:36

Yes, it's a bit what is said motor Nature
the new Twingo will be appreciated for [] its superior handling, and perhaps for more fun riding.

As long as the behavior remains "road" ... because in ditches or against plane trees, or more urban, on sidewalks and against walls, I am not sure that it remains effective. : Cheesy:
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by Petrus » 15/02/14, 22:21

The new twingo will have the same mechanical basis as the new smart.
I am more curious to see its price compared to the smart, they will make a small car accessible or play the luxury card by selling as expensive as the smart.
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by raymon » 16/02/14, 10:49

Those who have had the opportunity to drive the bugle keep a moving memory like a car fun / effective to drive.


Of course perfect to negotiate a hairpin handbrake but dangerous for bobonne who goes to pick up the children at school.
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