Ökofen - Unusual (advertising photomontage)

The developments of forums and the site. Humor and conviviality between the members of the forum - Tout est anything - Presentation of new registered members Relaxation, free time, leisure, sports, vacations, passions ... What do you do with your free time? Forum exchanges on our passions, activities, leisure ... creative or recreational! Publish your ads. Classifieds, cyber-actions and petitions, interesting sites, calendar, events, fairs, exhibitions, local initiatives, association activities .... No purely commercial advertising please.
Alain G
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 3044
Registration: 03/10/08, 04:24
x 3




by Alain G » 21/01/11, 16:27

Christophe wrote:
Alain G wrote:Totophe so much as to spoil the other subjects, we might as well make the debate here to end it once and for all!


Well in this case if there is a humorous collusion against him, I propose the creation of a 100% humor subject:

Dédéleco! But why is he so mean?

To be taken in a tone between orangina and dedicated to scratching!

: Mrgreen:

Image



LOL!

She is really nice!


Our Dédé is not so bad, it's just a little slip up that inadvertently slipped on several subjects!

I am sure he will correct himself as soon as possible! : Cheesy:
0 x
Stepping behind sometimes can strengthen friendship.
Criticism is good if added to some compliments.
Alain
dedeleco
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 9211
Registration: 16/01/10, 01:19
x 10




by dedeleco » 21/01/11, 16:30

This site :
http://herve.silve.pagesperso-orange.fr/regul.htm
comes out of statements that seem valid at first glance, but without scientifically demonstrating their validity with measurements, so some of these basic statements or choices may be wrong on real homes without realizing it !!

This site allows me to understand by what process, I am prisoner of the mode of the heating curve on all the boilers, even gas !!
It is a French disease to want to change reality for what respects axioms a priori !!

Result, a bunch of shadoks !! on their boiler with dedicated who laughs while scratching !!

The English are more pragmatic according to reality, instead of wanting to make this reality stick to their theories !!
0 x
User avatar
manet42
I posted 500 messages!
I posted 500 messages!
posts: 631
Registration: 22/11/08, 17:40
Location: Lorraine




by manet42 » 21/01/11, 16:34

Well no, I did not confuse:
- ext. for the water law.
-probe int. to refine if contributions are made (cooking, sun, 15 people at 50w each, I'm not talking about the consumption of liquids!).
Well, not convinced, too bad, it is a general method, not badly used by heating engineers.
Me, on the other hand, I am not convinced by the forced air that I had been offered with an air / air heat pump.
0 x
Continually trying we finally succeed. So more it fails, the more likely it is that it works.
Alain G
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 3044
Registration: 03/10/08, 04:24
x 3




by Alain G » 21/01/11, 16:34

Image
0 x
Stepping behind sometimes can strengthen friendship.

Criticism is good if added to some compliments.

Alain
User avatar
manet42
I posted 500 messages!
I posted 500 messages!
posts: 631
Registration: 22/11/08, 17:40
Location: Lorraine




by manet42 » 21/01/11, 16:38

Ah! damn, I hadn't seen that the shadocks were in a band.
with my prostate, it becomes rare : Lol:
Ah! but I have two probes .... one ext. and an int. it will get better.

The service shadock
0 x
Continually trying we finally succeed. So more it fails, the more likely it is that it works.
Alain G
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 3044
Registration: 03/10/08, 04:24
x 3




by Alain G » 21/01/11, 16:42

manet42 wrote:Well no, I did not confuse:
- ext. for the water law.
-probe int. to refine if contributions are made (cooking, sun, 15 people at 50w each, I'm not talking about the consumption of liquids!).
Well, not convinced, too bad, it is a general method, not badly used by heating engineers.
Me, on the other hand, I am not convinced by the forced air that I had been offered with an air / air heat pump.


Ben explains to me how this famous exterior probe does to regulate the sun which enters through the windows which influences the interior temperature since the probe is placed in the north, there is no coherence in this system and this at several points!

With hot air, the excess heat from the sun in a room is quickly mixed throughout the house, which is not the case with heated floors or radiators!

It's all a matter of logic!

Hot air heating is not exclusive to the heat pump but is also done with oil and gas!
0 x
Stepping behind sometimes can strengthen friendship.

Criticism is good if added to some compliments.

Alain
User avatar
manet42
I posted 500 messages!
I posted 500 messages!
posts: 631
Registration: 22/11/08, 17:40
Location: Lorraine




by manet42 » 21/01/11, 16:50

1) I did not say that your system was worse ... I do not know well. I don't like forced air, but this is me.
2) The ext. does not know that the sun heats the house, that is why an int. takes it into account.
Well, what I see is that I want 19,5 ° as the ambience and that I get it whatever the outside temperature.
0 x
Continually trying we finally succeed. So more it fails, the more likely it is that it works.
Alain G
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 3044
Registration: 03/10/08, 04:24
x 3




by Alain G » 21/01/11, 16:55

manet42 wrote:1) I did not say that your system was worse ... I do not know well. I don't like forced air, but this is me.
2) The ext. does not know that the sun heats the house, that is why an int. takes it into account.
Well, what I see is that I want 19,5 ° as the ambience and that I get it whatever the outside temperature.


This confirms that the outdoor sensor has little influence on the system!

Do you get this precision in all the parts because it is the problem which seems to persist according to all the comments that we can read so far?

Who mentioned forced air ???

My system circulates the air 24/24 hours, the forced air is less comfortable because it creates cold spots, we have the option of continuous ventilation or not!
0 x
Stepping behind sometimes can strengthen friendship.

Criticism is good if added to some compliments.

Alain
User avatar
manet42
I posted 500 messages!
I posted 500 messages!
posts: 631
Registration: 22/11/08, 17:40
Location: Lorraine




by manet42 » 21/01/11, 17:04

In fact, if I understood correctly, the external probe allows water to be sent at the most precise temperature possible to have the right atmosphere.
Why send water at 70 ° if 45 ° is enough?
There are of course small differences according to the parts since there is only one internal probe. Hence the importance of its location.

Good evening, I have my workout at 17 p.m. ...
Glad to have had a peaceful chat with Canada.

JC
0 x
Continually trying we finally succeed. So more it fails, the more likely it is that it works.
Alain G
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 3044
Registration: 03/10/08, 04:24
x 3




by Alain G » 21/01/11, 17:37

Good sport Manet!

I will answer anyway and you will follow up as soon as you have the opportunity!

I appreciate our civilized discussion which shows that it is possible to bring our arguments without killing each other!

In fact, if I understood correctly, the external probe allows water to be sent at the most precise temperature possible to have the right atmosphere.
Why send water at 70 ° if 45 ° is enough?


This is also what I understand from this way of proceeding, I do not know if you have followed the discussion I had on adaptive thermostats with Dédé, but I believe that the regulation of the temperature of the circulating water can be managed by this kind of thermostat, if this thermostat adapts to the house according to the time it takes to make the temperature correction, it can very well manage this same temperature of the circulating water by what it can read referring to the time of the temperature drop!

This is why I launched this sentence taken up by Dédé "Why keep it simple when you can make it complicated", now the marketing of boiler salesmen must make people believe in innovation in their products, I can hardly imagine a competitor saying that 'it works without this probe, it will be quickly planted by others!


A little anecdote here on the types of electric heaters, while for you the hot air convectors which are low-end for you, some here claim that it is superior to our electric baseboard heaters to boost their sales, which is not the case in reality but we use the fact that in Europe it is what is the most sold for its ridiculous price at home while here the low end is this famous plinth whose only real problem is the thermostat that controls it!

Unfortunately too often the arguments of a supposed technological advancement to boost sales outweigh the logic to the detriment of consumers!

We see this on many products in your home while here we are rather conservative because a heating system must be forgotten and must not become a burden for the user.
0 x
Stepping behind sometimes can strengthen friendship.

Criticism is good if added to some compliments.

Alain

Go back to "The bistro: site life, leisure and relaxation, humor and conviviality and Classifieds"

Who is online ?

Users browsing this forum : Google [Bot] and 276 guests